View Full Version : Never see an ALIVE Lily and James
... gosh I hate to say this but here goes ...
Potter's died - no bodies ..
Harry eludes to that he might find their graves at Godric's Hollow ...
JKR said we would never see and alive Lily and James - you dont think she would - you know - have Voldemort use them as Inferi?
OH EEEEWWWW Blaise!! That is so gross!!! You think she'd make Harry have to kill his own parents??
Well...of course...if what was said on another thread is true, and when all seven horcruxes are destroyed, all the evil is undone...if Harry's parents are made Inferi, then they can have their lives back :p
Nup. SOOOOO GROSS!
Blaise - I totally thought of that as soon as we heard what they were. I am not sure, though, as Voldemort would not have been there to perform the spell or curse or whatever it is to turn the bodies into Inferi . . . so unless someone else got there and did it immediately, I'm going to have to say it is unlikely, but that would be a really neat twist.
Also, I think I read in one of the books over the past few weeks a quote from Hagrid in which he says something about "their bodies." So I think the bodies may have actually been there . . .
Well I wasnt expecting an easy bye on this ...
I was talking to Boingy earlier and she said the same as I thought - who thought that one of the Inferi in the cave would have been Lily or James ... I just had this feeling ..
I think it would kill Harry to be faced with one or both of his parents and be left to try and kill them - and you think Voldemort is playing by the book with his life on the line?
Why else would JKR create the 'inferi' unless she might, just maybe, be thinking of having his parents come back ...
Her answer about seeing an 'alive' Lily and James always made me wonder how else - we saw wand shadows before ... just looking at this as a plausible ... as much as the idea makes my stomach turn ...
... I have a childhood fear of Zombies - when I read the cave part - I WAS SCARED :o
Um - seeing as how what we've been told about Inferi seem to infer that Voldemort had a pretty large Inferi Army - do you think that all the witches/wizards killed by himself and his Death Eaters are added to it? I mean, every single one of them?
Still - Lily & James.. that's definitely twisted and would be pretty terrible for Harry..
Where did Harry get the idea that their graves were at Godric's Hollow anyway? Did he just assume that or could Hagrid or Sirius or Lupin or someone have mentioned it sometime?
Anyway - ew. That's definitely playing dirty..
psychgirl83
18-07-2005, 06:31
Wow, that would be a major thing to see. I almost like the idea though. Would definitely be interesting to see how Harry reacts to seeing thier bodies coming at him.
Voldemort doesnt want to die - the gloves are off - any advantage ...
I know it is twisted - but just when JKR said we would never see an alive Lily and James - it just made me think Inferi ... :(
Fortescue
18-07-2005, 13:45
I can only assume that he never got the chance to change them into inferi because he was sort of busy dispatching James, and then chasing after Lily to get to Harry. Maybe it would be something he would do on his way out, but since he never got that chance, I'd have to say he didn't.
You know, a real good question for JKR would be something along the lines of:
Are Lily and James' bodies really buried in Godric's Hollow or is this just what Harry believes?
If she refused to give a straight answer it would sure give much more support to the Inferi theory..
And if not.. well, it'd just be nice to know! :p
I can only assume that he never got the chance to change them into inferi because he was sort of busy dispatching James, and then chasing after Lily to get to Harry. Maybe it would be something he would do on his way out, but since he never got that chance, I'd have to say he didn't.
See, my thinking is that you dont need to do it straight away - this is almost like zombie status - as in you could just dig someone up and then perform the spell.
What I mean to say is that it is irrelevant what stage of death the person is in - more that they are dead is required ...
See, my thinking is that you dont need to do it straight away - this is almost like zombie status - as in you could just dig someone up and then perform the spell.
What I mean to say is that it is irrelevant what stage of death the person is in - more that they are dead is required ...
Ok, so if that is true, that means that Voldemort and the Death Eaters could have been in command of a pretty large Inferi Army that encompassed even more people than the ones they had personally killed..
If the only requirements are that they be dead.. well.. thats not all that many qualifications now is it?
I was under the impression it at the very least had to be someone you killed yourself or was recently deceased as when we hear about them, it is said that Voldemort and the DEs had quite an army from those people they had killed.
So, if it has to be performed rather quickly after death, then no dice unless there was another DE there that night.
If it has to be performed only on someone you've killed yourself, then Voldemort could go back and turn them into inferi just for kicks and to see how it throws Harry off.
Sirius Potter Fan
19-07-2005, 11:41
I'm shure as Blaise says, that it doesn't have to be done right away. I think indeed you could exume them and cast the spell to creat a new inferi. the reason the DE's were killing people and creating the inferi right then was simple convenience, and a little more I'll explian later. Plain and simple it is much quicker to AK someone, then imediately turn them to inferi, than to take the time to dig someone up and then do the spell. If you are trying to make an army of inferi than time is of the essence. they may have also been going after friends/ family members of some of their known foes, to do exactly as has been suggested. It sounds, gross though it may be, right up Voldemort's alley, to force Harry to battle his own parents forms to get to him.
I'm shure as Blaise says, that it doesn't have to be done right away. I think indeed you could exume them and cast the spell to creat a new inferi. the reason the DE's were killing people and creating the inferi right then was simple convenience, and a little more I'll explian later. Plain and simple it is much quicker to AK someone, then imediately turn them to inferi, than to take the time to dig someone up and then do the spell. If you are trying to make an army of inferi than time is of the essence. they may have also been going after friends/ family members of some of their known foes, to do exactly as has been suggested. It sounds, gross though it may be, right up Voldemort's alley, to force Harry to battle his own parents forms to get to him.
Exactly!
That is what I meant - i didnt get any strong feelings there was a time expiration going on here - just that they had to be killed by them ...
As such Lily and James's bodies are still in an unknown place - although, and in a very clumsy fashion by JKR, Harry now suddenly pulls it out of the air that they might be in Godric's Hollow ... gesh that has to be one of JKR's least well thought out lines .... ;)
I just think it would really screw Harry up - and why come up with the concept - I mean really why - unless you wanted to bring up the dead ... :(
Sirius Potter Fan
19-07-2005, 18:13
you're hot there Blaise, and on the grave of Harry's parents, good poing that is a little too straight forward for JKR, perhaps she is planning on getting Harry to Godricks hollow, and when he looks for the grave, they are not there? or sees a desecrated grave?
Snuffles
22-07-2005, 00:31
Inferi...?// kill his parents...?// eeyew, sorry, but G.R.O.S.S.
And I don't think it's likely for Voldemort or any of the DE to use Lily or James' body as Inferi.
I vaguely remember reading about how Lily and James have their graves, and how Harry is going to visit the graves.
As I was reading HBP, I was thinking,
why can't harry get memories from other people who knew Lily and James when they were alive? They wouldn't be alive, but Harry could get to know them more.
The only thing closest to a memory Harry saw was when he was having that Occlumency lesson with Snape, and when that James-picking-on-Snape memory came up.
But I mean, someone like Lupin or Sirius--couldn't they have given a memory to Harry to shoe him how happy the little family was? What kind of life they had?
I guess this little debate also leads into another - we know that Voldemort was ripped from his body that night - we know that Lily and James were killed that night - we know the house was destroyed that night - but we were never told where the bodies were ... in fact the bodies have been missing from the story ...
So my question and point here - theoretically, you could have three bodies being used - I just remembered JKR talking about 2 Voldemort making him more powerful - well if his body wasn't destroyed that night - would make one heck of a decoy right - especially if it was bewitched to perform the dark biddings of a wizard ... inferious, soulless shells ... Voldemort had a soulless shell as well ;)
christina
06-10-2006, 09:35
well at first i didnt think james and lily bein inferi likely but now. . . that would be a very sick and twisted thing for voldy to do if he were to make harry's parents inferi:eek: . . . .he probably knew that they would come in useful someday . . .like if he were to be in that fateful battle of his with harry and suddenly bring out the inferi-james and lily harry would freeze. . . it would be obviously very emotional and probably somewhat confusing for him. . . it would give voldy just enuff time to AK him:eek: . . . harry would be forced to make the split second decision to either fight them or not. . . .a very hard decision to make cuz i mean even tho they would be inferi they are his parents after all:(
Yeah that pretty much hits the nail on the head - it would wreck Harry if suddenly his parents were stood in front of him and it would give Voldemort a mental and even physical edge over Harry ...
It is sick, twisted and warped - and just the type of thing Voldemort would do - no such thing as a nice, clean battle - especially when your life is on the line right!
Buckbeak88
12-10-2006, 16:43
I hadn't thought of that before. It is feasible that Voldemort could use the bodies of peoples' family members to throw them off; it's something he would stoop to if he thought of it. I hope Lilly and James do not appear as Inferi, that would be horrible, but it could happen.
Sevstrueluve
31-10-2006, 20:32
I think the concept of Lily and James as inferi is totally laughable. There has only been one instance of inferi being used. That was in the cave where Harry and Albus Dumbledore went to retrieve the locket/horcrux. Lily and James are dead. And even Joanna, herself, said that we are not going to see Lily and James, alive or dead.
I think the concept of Lily and James as inferi is totally laughable. There has only been one instance of inferi being used. That was in the cave where Harry and Albus Dumbledore went to retrieve the locket/horcrux. Lily and James are dead. And even Joanna, herself, said that we are not going to see Lily and James, alive or dead.
I love posts like that - they come back and haunt you later in life ;)
I think inferi was emphasised quite a few times over the course of HBP and their only real presence was felt in the cave ...
I don't think it is laughable ... I think of it as creative thinking - you know, outside of the box even ;)
cagedcactus
07-11-2006, 12:14
Gosh, how come I never came accross this thread?
I was reading the book 6 with my 10 year old niece few months back, and you know what she asks after a few days?
Bingo: :D
she asks: "Does that mean that all these good poeple like Harry's mom and dad, and Cedric Diggory can become inferi?"
I was dumb struck. Completely shocked to the idea even. Voldemort would not hesitate even a bit to play that card, would he?
Laughable? heck no.......
debatable? maybe..............
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