Harry and Snape MAJOR SPOILER!!!!

[kashlie]

Well, Harry had an odd connection with that Potions book, don't you think?
He trusted that book to get him through potions (which, by the way, if Snape hadn't changed jobs, then Harry would never have been able to keep that book - he wouldn't have even been doing potions).
It is funny this attachment and trust. Then that big downfall with Sectumsempra.
It is like saying as helpful and good as this book is, there is an element of it that will bring you both down. But why did Harry not rid himself of the book once he used that spell? Why did he still trust it to get him through lessons?
I think that this is how his relationship with Snape will be. He knows of the evil within it, but also how much he can help.
It may be wild speculation, but I think Snape may still be good. Now that Harry knows that Snape is the Half Blood Prince, I think he will trust him again. Dumbledore, through his portrait, will reveal to Harry why he trusted Snape, and it will lead Harry to do the same.
For all the good Harry got from that book, he only found one bit bad. I think the good in Snape will outweigh the bad in the end. Yeah, I know, he killed Dumbledore, but I think, as do many of you, that this was an agreement they had reached. Did it say Dumbledore looked shocked, or frightened, when he saw Snape? DD would have shown some signs that he'd realised his mistake. But he didn't.
The revulsion and hatred in Snape's face could easily have been for what he had to do, not for the man he was doing it to.

Harry will find Snape, and the will become allies. please

[Buzzzz]

I think there defiantly was a connection between Harry and the potions book.

Harry trusted the words written in the textbook, yet we found out it was not Snape's book, but his mothers. Snape knew about this book and it makes me wonder if the book was left for him. Maybe Snape left the book for him to prove to Harry that he was not as bad as first thought. Or was it just chance that the Half-Blood Prince’s book fell into Harry’s hands?

I think it has crossed everyones mind that Dumbledore and Snape came to some agreement. Although I do not understand, if this was so, why Dumbledore never mentioned this to Harry... Maybe it is because of course, Harrys power is to love. Maybe Dumbledore thought Harry would try and stop Dumbledore sacrificing himself and therefore ruin the plans Snape and Dumbledore had made.

I think that it is possible that maybe in the future Harry and Snape will become allies. I am very interested in what Dumbledore's portrait has to tell Harry...

[Fortescue]

I must have missed the part where we found out it was Lily's book?????

It was explained that it was Snape's book and the connection to this was the fact that the HBP was Snape, with his Muggle father and witch mother, (maiden name, Prince).

We did find out through Slughorn that Lily was exceptional at Potions - we already knew she was good with Charms - so maybe this will have an impact on what did actually happen the night of Voldemort's attack.

[Boing]

I think what Buzzzz was saying was that she thought the book was Snape's mother's book, not Harry's mother's book.

I personally think it was just Snape's and that he was using second-hand books . . .

Back on topic, I think that Harry and Snape will come to a climactic point where they face each other and either they will realize they need to work together to defeat Voldemort or Snape will save Harry one last time by sacrificing his own life in the process and Harry will realize that Snape was on the Order's side the whole time.

[Alz]

Snape has - and always will be helping out Harry ...
Snape is making up for mistakes in his past - one of which was him being the catalyst in Harry's parents death ... we know how that plays.

What is great is JKR continues to show Harry hating Snape, more and more - until now - we have the pinicle of hatred from Harry to Snape.
Snape could not go anywhere now until Harry is dead - because what Harry saw ensured that he would never rest until he finds Snape - and as said in another thread - where is Snape now ;)
I'm not falling for it JKR - Snape isnt the out and out Voldemort lover you tried to paint him in HBP - I think many of us - if not all can see through what was a really, really good piece of writing - but peoples faith in Dumbledores trust (which I dont share) or Snape's redeeming character (the one I share) is what will make everyone see through it and still show - plain as day - that Snape is helping Harry!
My only question is - will Harry ever work it out?
Will there come a time and dialogue or will Harry just dispense him before getting to Voldemort?

[Fortescue]

You know Snape has to be on the side of good, but I can't believe, that even if Dumbledore and Snape had prearranged for Snape to take Dumbledore's life, if need be, that Dumbledore would ask him to do such a thing considering his former Death Eater status, and the fact that Dumbledore seems to hold such a high regard for life.

If what Harry felt for Snape wasn't considered hate before, it definitely would be now that Harry watched him kill his mentor before he learned all he needed to know to continue. We saw the sure demise of Dumbledore from his first scene in the story when he turned up at the Durlsey's to get Harry with his blackened hand - the first clear and definite sign that he wouldn't make it through the end of the book. It was the first sign of weakness we've ever seen in him besides of his unique love for people.

He will surely be out to kill Snape if the chance arises and I think given the opportunity, Harry will succeed - if Snape truly can be trusted and is just acting, then he and Dumbledore scripted a well rehearsed scene - one that Harry is going to have to deal with and work through. If Harry can learn to master the unspoken spells, Snape will be in big trouble.

[Alz]

Dumbledore and Snape realised how important it was that Snape could still get with Voldemort - he was in the presence of the Death Eaters and Malfoy - he would have made the same promise to Dumbledore that Harry did - if he needed to kill Dumbledore to ensure he could get back to Voldemort he was to do it ... it is very simple - there is no denying it - suck it up and deal with it - Dumbledore had to die!
Snape would not have relished having to do it - but in doing so he helped 2 people - Malfoy and Harry - and also in essence he gave Malfoy the same thing Dumbledore gave him - a chance to redeem and also change for the best!
I think Malfoy would come out the back end of that experience a lot less 'cock sure' as what he was when he entered into it - he knew him and his families life was in danger and as such he will resent being placed in that situation. This is off topic I know - sorry!

Basically - and as seen by the state Snape was in after he did it - it wasnt an easy thing for him to do - but he knows the bigger picture and why the sacrifice was worth it ..

The problem comes that he will probably have a very difficult job talking to Harry - because Harry will be out for revenge and dispatch him as soon as he can - his hatred for Snape equals and if not more than that of Voldemort ..

[Tonks]

Hum da dum.. i think there's another thread somewhere about Snape's goodness .. ;)

I'm in the mood to discuss the book so here goes..
I definitely think that the book was Snape's mother's book and that he used it secondhand and wrote all of the notes and such in it.. I do find it pretty strange that he trusts it, then uses Sectumsempra, and still trusts it - but I think that he realizes he has never had a problem with the actual Potions notes and that they are really the only thing getting him through his Potions class at the moment. I really do wonder why on earth Snape didn't try to get the book revised or something, because the regular directions in the book seem pretty bad and don't yield as great results as Snape's.. :rolleyes:

I suppose I must come back to Snape. I do think it possible that Snape is still good, and that he only killed Dumbledore because of the Unbreakable Vow he made with Narcissa. However, I think it possible that he might have told Dumbledore about the Vow and maybe they worked out a plan.. I'm a bit reluctant to think that Dumbledore would be like, ok, kill me if you have to - but i do think this is probably why he told Harry as much as possible before he was killed..

[Alz]

What suprised me was that the Half Blood Prince seemed to be attacked by James Potter using one of his own spells ... the legs up in the air trick :D
Seems a bit odd that - but still - does make me laugh :D

[Weasleyfanforever]

What suprised me was that the Half Blood Prince seemed to be attacked by James Potter using one of his own spells ... the legs up in the air trick :D
Seems a bit odd that - but still - does make me laugh :D

I think we were supposed to find that ironic, that James attacked Snape with his own spells, and then Harry attempted to do the same. The fact that Snape was the HBP is still shocking to me, when I think about it, because I never would have guessed that....

[Boing]

As for James using the spell, I would think that either he saw Snape's notes in a class or Snape used it once and then everyone was using. It was said that it was "quite popular" when they were all going to school, so it wasn't just James who was doing it, it was the whole school.

As for Snape not making corrections to the general textbook, while we all think he is good, he's not a saint/angel or anything like that. He wants to be the best at something and he has found out what it is. So why would he publish all his hard-earned secrets that make him a cut above the rest?

As for something else that's interesting here - what do you guys think about perhaps Lily sharing notes with Snape? We found out that Slughorn said she was really good at potions, while we have never heard that before. Lily also defended Snape when the marauders were harrassing him - perhaps because Snape had given her extra help in potions? Just a thought

Back to main topic here - I don't know if Harry will ever really figure out what's going on. I think it could come down to the last horcrux (Voldemort) and Snape dies for Harry or helps him in some way and then Harry realizes what was going on.

[Alz]

This is where you almost feel a bit sorry for Snape.
I mean, like a lot of people think - he was innocent - what chance is he going to have to convince Harry?
Harry will try and dispatch him on sight - and I am pretty sure the next time they meet Harry will be quite along the path of how to close his mind - the main reason Snape got away from Harry the last time.

This could go further - say Harry does dispatch Snape and then learns - say from Snape's last few breaths etc - that indeed he was just helping Harry, he killed Dumbledore on his orders etc - how would that effect Harry?
To know he might have killed an innocent man?

I think somewhat this might be the plan of Voldemort - perhaps he really is aware of Snape's true loyalties - being away from him - and as such set's up Snape to the point that Harry kills him - and then makes Harry stew on the fact he just killed an innocent man ...?

Voldemort will be well aware of how Harry lives by his heart - and as such will learn Harry's weakness (although we know this to be Harry biggest strength - afterall Voldemort will never know this) is by attacking things close to Harry - invoke Harry's passions and compassion and hopes Harry will make a mistake ... at least be unable to close his mind enough to be unable to stop the Dark Lord getting inside his head and reading Harry like a book..