View Full Version : lucky day for the weasleys *posible spoiler*
MR. Weasley said in a constricted voice. "well, all i can say isthat itwas a lucky day for the weasleys when ron decided to sit in your compartment on the hogwarts express, harry.
for some reason i get a bad feeling from this quote everytime i read it,
may just be parinoia but still i feel somthing sinister bubling under the surface
please offer your oppinions
Well, I think that he has a good point, because if Harry and Ron weren't such good friends then Ginny could've died, Mr. Weasley himself probably would have died, and Ron may have died as well..
Then again, Ginny probably wouldn't have been given the diary in the first place if Ron wasn't such good friends with Harry, so she wouldn't have been in any special danger.. and Ron would never have gone down to Slughorn's office and happened to drink some of Rosmerta's mead.. so on that hand - you could kind of say Ron's friendship with Harry led to the danger some of the Weasleys have been placed in, so it's kind of a good thing he saved their lives because it could be considered his fault in the first place..
Still, I have to agree with you here.. I have a feeling that this quote will become rather ironic in book seven, and wouldn't put it past JKR to be forced to kill one of the Weasleys (I just hope it isn't Ron! Or Ginny! :o .. even though those deaths would be the ones to effect Harry the most)
You know, the other part of this quote was where he said that Ginny, Mr. Weasley, and Ron all owed Harry their lives . . . we have heard before that this is a strong bond in the wizarding world and that it would seem that they now are indebted to him, just like Snape was indebted to James and Pettigrew is indebted to Harry as well . . .
I wonder how that will come into play in the last book.
i was woundering if that is such a supposidly strong bond why had snape never repaid his debt to james and quite possibly actively presueing the demise of james
is this strong bond like the unbreakable vow but with no magic?
This was explained by Dumbledore as why Snape most likely saved Harry in PS/SS . . . because he owed his life to James and he was therefore repaying that debt by saving James's son's life. I think Snape is done with that debt now . . .
I'm not sure as to why Snape didn't repay it during James's living life . . . It doesn't seem to be the kind of thing where you need to save a person the next time you see them (as we saw in the graveyard scene when Pettigrew did nothing to try and save Harry). It seems that perhaps you have a choice as to when you will repay it, but that it is strong enough that you must actually repay it in some way.
but there seems to be no reprecusions if you were not to repay it
if snape was in debt to james it should have been james
because say harry was killed in the grave yard who would petigrew repay??
Not that this isn't off topic or anything - :rolleyes:
I sort of think the debt is more of a guilt thing.. or some sort of ancient magic, although I have no idea how that would work.. I really don't know that it's an actual physical form of magic (not that that made any sense whatsoever) but that it's one of those things that you feel obligated to fulfill .. no matter what kind of a person you are (excluding Voldemort - because we all know he's practically soulless)..
To get a bit back on topic - I don't know that Ginny, Ron, and Mr. Weasley will feel as much of a need to "pay back" this debt - because they are all on friendly terms.. I don't know if that makes much sense either, so I'll put it this way - it seems like someone would feel much more obligated to pay back a life debt to an enemy, because when the first person saved the others' life, they acted with some form of compassion and could not let the other die, as much as they hated him..
I got the impression that, with all the references to luck in that scene, that someone offstage was taking Felix, and everyone there was being influenced by that. Much the same as when Harry took the Felix and Dean/Ginny were affected and Hermione/Ron/Lavender, too. In fact, there are an awful lot of utterances of "luck" and "lucky" in the Trapdoor chapter of PS/SS. Hmm.
Mr. Weasley's quote does have an ominous air about it, though -- but Ron, Ginny and Mr. Weasley can't die, they just can't! Maybe their luck will hold...
gumshoe
Well you know, I was worried as I read OotP that Ron would to be the one to die. It seemed like everything he'd always wanted--being Prefect and on the Quidditch team--was coming true.
.. and Ron did see Die Ron Die in the tealeaves ... and we know about how often Ron jokes about a prediction and it comes right ...
Let's hope Harry can get another bottle of that stuff from Slughorn!
Well, I hope his neardeath experience in HBP is sufficient.
halliemei
12-01-2006, 16:03
I have to admit that Mr. Weasley's statement is quite creepy and ominous when I read it, as well. I worry greatly for the Weasleys. But, I worry that it's BECAUSE OF Harry that one (or more) die -- more specifically, at his hand somehow. That would be kind of the "opposite" of this statement. I also worry b/c JKR is killing goodies and baddies next time. There's no way a family of 9 can all survive this!
But PLEASE don't let it be Ron!!!!!!!!:( :( :( :(
Well, Molly's already lost two brothers to the fight (pre comeback), so I'm sure that's partly behind her fears. I can't see our hero Harry being responsible for the death of one of them. That's just too much. LV and his followers should be responsible for any deaths.
I have to admit that Mr. Weasley's statement is quite creepy and ominous when I read it, as well. I worry greatly for the Weasleys. But, I worry that it's BECAUSE OF Harry that one (or more) die -- more specifically, at his hand somehow. That would be kind of the "opposite" of this statement. I also worry b/c JKR is killing goodies and baddies next time. There's no way a family of 9 can all survive this!
But PLEASE don't let it be Ron!!!!!!!!:( :( :( :(
I think it is more likely the one that strayed from the flock - Percy ...
I dont know why - I always got this feeling he may die and just felt Harry would be the one to do it - could all the love and friendship Harry shares with the Weasley's make it past the killing of one of their number ... tragic, cruel and nasty on so many levels - how could JKR resist .. another shocker!
I must admit I'm worried about Percy. In my most recent read of the series, I noted all the times it talks about how ambitious he is--blindly so. I think many readers are expecting Percy to "wake up" by the end, but I'm not so sure. Perhaps I'm not imaginative enough, but I can't see a scenario where Harry would have to kill Percy.
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