Bill Weasley and Greyback *spoiler*

[Sirius Potter Fan]

I was surprised to find that this hadn't been brought up yet.

As we know, Bill was mauled by the warewolfe Greyback, allbeit when he was not transformed nor at the full moon. The characters themselves had little more to do than speculate what the future may hold for Bill, and just how contaminated he may be. As they themselves could only speculate, that is all we may do as well, but I would like to aim it in the direction of just how you think JKR will use it in our final episode. ideas?

[yarvelling]

Lupin and Bill team-up together at the next full moon and tear Snape to pieces....

:) :) :)

[kashlie]

I wonder if he will actually change at all. What if he just gets the good bits - heightened sense of smell, hearing and any wolf-like movements...kinda like Spiderman, except...well, you get the idea. He doesn't actually get the transformation part.
Of course, I have no idea really how werewolves work and what the myth is behind them...I just don't want to see Bill have to go through all that when the most important year of their lives are upon them. I mean, he is getting married, and doesn't want to be ill on his wedding day...oh...and there is the battle with Voldemort coming too...

[Snuffles]

I actually like the idea of Bill teaming up with Lupin to transform at full moon, waiting to pounce upon and tear Snape into pieces!! :D:D:D:D:D

lol, but as mentioned, I don't think Bill would be able to transform into an acutal wolf, but he will have some superhuman abilities like being able to run in fours quickly ;) or, as kashlie said, the extra senses of smell or sight, especially in the dark.

I think Bill will be very useful (sorry for the use of the word, but I think it fits) and very helpful to be on the side of Harry, so that when it comes to the fight with Voldemort, he'd be able to accompany Harry and the others through the dark or sesne some unseen danger, due to his wolf-lik instincts.

[Tonks]

See, I don't think that Bill will really change too much as a person.. other than his appearance obviously. I think that the effects on him will be more like if someone had been attacked by a huge dog, if i can say that - ;)

I think he might be a little jittery for a bit, but I really don't think he will have any wolf-like tendences. And I definitely don't think he will be a full werewolf, as Greyback was not transformed when he bit him. Technically, a werewolf who is not transformed is pretty much like a regular human right? So it would kind of be like an extremely disturbed human just jumped on Bill and ripped his throat open.. at least, that's how I see it - :)

[Hermione]

I think it could be useful to have Bill turn into a full werewolf. He could go to Voldemort and become a spy for OotP.

I hope, for his sake, that he doesn't become a werewolf, and continues to be jumpy and likes his steaks undercooked.

[Tonks]

I think it could be useful to have Bill turn into a full werewolf. He could go to Voldemort and become a spy for OotP.

I hope, for his sake, that he doesn't become a werewolf, and continues to be jumpy and likes his steaks undercooked.
Yeah but see, the Death Eaters would probably see through him right away as a Weasley.. they all know that the Weasleys are "Muggle lovers" so I don't think he could really become a spy for them - they have Lupin for that already anyway..

Unless..
Bill's appearance has definitely changed lately. If he were to go become a spy among the werewolves (maybe with Lupin?) under a different name, he could probably get away with it because I doubt anyone would really recognize him. The Order might need a new werewolf spy anyway, because Snape knows Lupin is with the Order and if he is truly on that side, he probably would have alerted the Death Eaters and the werewolves..

This is all assuming that Bill becomes a full-fledged werewolf though, and I'm not all that sure about that - :o

[Sirius Potter Fan]

OK, just a bit of direction here. It was in the third book that JKR introduced us to warewolves, a warewolfe, more specificaly. Yes it was a large part of the story line, nothing subtle there, but still, could have been any kind of monster, but she chose warewolves, and we learned quite a bit about them as well. Then again, in OotP we see a newly "created" warewolfe in the ward with Arthur Weasley, is it just cooincidence that she brought warewolves back into the story line? Now that reminder in mind. . . where is JKR going with Bill? I may add more later if someone doesn't beat me to it. . . :)

[Alz]

Lupin is looking shaky - I wonder if Bill might go back with Lupin to help overthrow and destroy Greyback ... it would make sense ...
JKR has done little to assure us of Lupin's health - that always seems to be in decline - both seem to be 'hooked up' as we say in the UK - could be the ladies in their life are waiting for them to return from the big mission - but only one returns ... :p

[Luna Lovegod]

Dont forget that Lupin has been working for the order undercover if you will but since greyback was at hogwarts fighting against the order on the night dumbledore died, will he be able to go return to his duties trying to be part of greybacks 'gang'? and if greyback bit bill won't he know he's part of the order?

[Fortescue]

My concern would be whether Greyback was not also a vampire. Even though there wasn't a full moon, he had fangs. We were shown he had blood dripping from his fangs. If he had fangs and was attacking when there was no full moon, could he also be a vampire and that's why he is so brutal - even when he's not a wolf he still has a thirst for blood? JKR did introduce us to the first vampire in HBP- the one that was at Slughorn's Christmas party. Could that have been a hint? Might Bill turn into a vampire?

[Tonks]

Well, that's a pretty wild thought - lol

I'm wondering if that wouldn't have a huge toll on the body - being able to transform into both a werewolf and a vampire.. that seems to me like it would be a bit much - and a terribly rough life for the guy.. I'm kind of curious as to whether anyone would be able to survive something like that..

Still, I really don't think JKR would do that to him. Being a werewolf seems like it would be rough enough - even though he is a Death Eater and I would have nothing against him being in great pain - ;)

[Alz]

Interesting observations ... but not sure that is right ...
Cursed of being a werewolf and also a vampire just seems, well unnecessary ...
I think he just was a vicious, nasty POS that rather than just bite a victim he would rather savage them ...
he has bought misery to loads of people and I think it is fitting that maybe Lupin or Bill might put an end to him ...
He was pretty disgusting overall if you ask me - I will be glad when he is dispatched!

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Well I think that Bill might have turned into a werewolf. I think J.KRowling wants to give something else about werewolves. As a mather of fact is saw somthing somewhere on Fenrir i think that it was a creature like a werewolf but quite different... I'm going to look up than I'll post it. here.

Well I think that Bill might have turned into a werewolf. I think J.KRowling wants to give something else about werewolves. As a mather of fact is saw somthing somewhere on Fenrir i think that it was a creature like a werewolf but quite different... I'm going to look up than I'll post it. here.



This is a quote from wikipedia I think i can be useful (please warn me If I'm violating the forum policies....I'll remove this):o
In Norse mythology, the Fenrisulfr, Wolf of Fenrir, Fenris or simply Fenrir is a monstrous wolf, the son of Loki and the giantess Angrboða. Fenrir is bound by the gods, but is ultimately destined to grow too large for his bonds and devour Odin during the course of Ragnarök. At that time he will have grown so large that his upper jaw touches the sky while his lower touches the earth when he gapes. After killing Odin he will be slain by Odin's son, Viðarr, who will either stab him in the heart or rip his jaws asunder according to different accounts.

The most important source of our information about Fenrir appears in the "Gylfaginning" section of Snorri Sturluson's Edda, although there are other, often contradictory, accounts and sources which need to be assessed (e.g. in Lokasenna Loki threatens Thor with destruction by Fenrir at the forthcoming Ragnarök once Fenrir has destroyed Odin).
Fenrir has two sons, Hati ('hate') and Skoll. These sons chase the horses Árvakr and Alsviðr, that drag the chariot which contains the sun. Hati also chases Máni, the moon. 'Skoll', in certain circumstances, is used as a heiti to refer indirectly to the father (Fenrir) and not the son. This ambiguity works in the other direction also, for example in the Vafþrúðnismál, where a confusion exists in stanza 46 where Fenrir is given the sun-chasing attributes of his son Skoll.

Learning from the prophecy of the sybil (cf. Völuspá) and from his contest with Vafþrúðnir (related in Vafþrúðnismál) that the children of Loki and Angrboða would bring trouble to the gods, Odin had the wolf brought to him along with his brother Jörmungandr and his sister Hel.

After casting Jörmungandr into the sea and Hel down into the land of the dead, Odin had the wolf raised among the Æsir. Only the god Týr was daring enough to feed the growing monster. The gods urged by the wolf's increasing strength and by prophecies that he would be their destruction, attempted to bind the great beast. Twice he agreed to be chained and twice easily burst out of two successive fetters. The first, made of iron, was called Lœðingr. The second, also of iron, but of twice the strength, was called Drómi.

Odin then had the dwarfs forge the chain Gleipnir ("deceiver" or "entangler"). It appeared to be only a silken ribbon but was made of six wondrous ingredients: the sound of a cat's footfall, the beard of a woman, the roots of a mountain, bear's sinews (meaning nerves, sensibility), fish's breath, and bird's spittle (which explains why these things are not found today). Skírnir, Freyr's messenger, brought it back to Ásgarðr.

Then, in the island called Lyngvi ("Heathery") in the lake called Ámsvartnir 'Red-black' (places unknown to us), the gods challenged Fenrisulfr to break this chain also. But the wolf noted the thinness and fineness of construction of Gleipnir and not unreasonably suspected a trick. He agreed to make the test only if one of the gods was willing to place his hand in the wolf's mouth during the binding as a pledge to free him if he failed to break the chain. No god was willing to do this, until Týr stood forth and placed his hand in the wolf's mouth. Fenrisulfr strained to burst the chain but the more he struggled the tighter he was held. When the gods would not free him, the wolf bit off Týr's hand at the wrist, the point afterwards called "the wolf joint".

Then, as told by Snorri in Brodeur's translation:

When the Æsir saw that the Wolf was fully bound, they took the chain that was fast to the fetter, and which is called Gelgja 'Thin', and passed it through a great rock—it is called Gjöll 'Scream'—and fixed the rock deep down into the earth. Then they took a great stone and drove it yet deeper into the earth—it was called Thviti—and used the stone for a fastening-pin. The Wolf gaped terribly, and thrashed about and strove to bite them; they thrust into his mouth a certain sword: the guards caught in his lower jaw, and the point in the upper; that is his gag. He howls hideously, and slaver runs out of his mouth: that is the river called Ván 'Hope'; there he lies till the Weird of the Gods.

It is prophesied that at Ragnarök the wolf will at last break free and join forces with the enemies of the gods and will then devour Odin himself. After that Viðarr, Odin's son, will slay the wolf to avenge his father, either with a sword through the heart, or by tearing apart the wolf after placing one foot shod with a special shoe on its lower jaw and one hand on its upper jaw


Other names
Fenrisúlfr
Fenris Wolf (a translation of Fenrisulfr)
Dominous Wolfous (a translation of Irish)
Fenrir (along with Fenris as one of the more accepted)
Hróðvitnir, 'the famous wolf'

So here we can see why Rowling has chose Fenrir. Because Greyback hates human and attack children on purpose to make them werewolves.

[Blanche A. McFusty]

Going back to the idea of Bill teaming up with Lupin...that's a good plot line. I actually think they'll be leaving Snape alone. Greyback has got to be their target. Lupin is such a wonderful character. He has suffered so much, remains loyal to The Order, and maintains a tortured, unassuming existence.

On the other hand, life has been pretty easy for Bill until the attack. A Bill Weasley/Lupin team would work.

[Lovegood54]

i dont think anything will really happen to bill. his scars probably wont heal as well as they could if they hadnt been cursed (madm pomfrey i believe says they are cursed wounds/scars) as far as transformation goes, i think he might have heightened senses and a hairy body, but only during a full moon.

[Padma Patil]

I don't think Bill will change into a fully fledged werewolf. I do think he will have certain acute senses that humans don't normally have though. Such as has already been said, hearing, scent, and possibly eyesight. Though I must point out that wolves don't have great eyesight. They rely heavily on their sence of hearing and smell which is absolutly magnificent when compared to that of a human's.

I also really like the idea of Lupin and Bill teaming up and waiting to tear Snape apart. :) That made me laugh. But no seriously, I do think they would be a great team.

[tobias]

I can't help but remember the silver hand: maybe Wormtail redeems himself by slaying Greyback with it.

I agree no physical transformation for Bill, but I love the idea of superhuman abilities...

[cagedcactus]

I would hate to see Lupin go, but I think it will happen. Lupin will go down with Wormtail and Bill will come back after killing or capturing greyback.
I always thought one thing. You see, all the Weasleys are paired up, except for Charlie. I would love to see him with Tonks. Ok, Ok, please feel free to tease me or attack me mocking a matchmaker here. :D
I think Lupin passes on, Charlie survives.