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Simple question here - but why didnt Voldemort come in through the same place as the Death Eaters?
I mean - if he was waiting for Dumbledore to die first - well he got that - it just seems strange that he wasnt waiting in the wings to get into Hogwarts as well ... I'm sure he would still find great interest in the Chamber of Secrets ...
I just cant figure why he didnt try to enter Hogwarts himself ...
Brilliant Blaise!
But, I think that Voldemort's soul, being ripped so much, would actually cause him pain, should he enter a place that he was once quite attached to. So, it's not that he didn't WANT to enter, it's because he couldn't due to the fact that the emotion he would feel, returning to a place he was once happy in, would cause him mortal pain, in a similar fashion to what he feels when he tries to possess Harry- he comes in contact with his own, distant emotions, and (could it be?) a bit of love, so he cannot endure it long enough to carry out whatever he wants to do.
ChienNoir
06-08-2005, 18:15
Simple question here - but why didnt Voldemort come in through the same place as the Death Eaters?
I mean - if he was waiting for Dumbledore to die first - well he got that - it just seems strange that he wasnt waiting in the wings to get into Hogwarts as well ... I'm sure he would still find great interest in the Chamber of Secrets ...
I just cant figure why he didnt try to enter Hogwarts himself ...
I am assuming it's because he couldn't...or perhaps there might be something there that could make him vulnerable in some way. Perhaps it's as simple as wanting to let his cronies face any possible dangers, like any common playground bully would. Hmm.... more to ponderate upon!
LBD
Hermione
06-08-2005, 18:52
But, I think that Voldemort's soul, being ripped so much, would actually cause him pain, should he enter a place that he was once quite attached to. So, it's not that he didn't WANT to enter, it's because he couldn't due to the fact that the emotion he would feel, returning to a place he was once happy in, would cause him mortal pain, in a similar fashion to what he feels when he tries to possess Harry- he comes in contact with his own, distant emotions, and (could it be?) a bit of love, so he cannot endure it long enough to carry out whatever he wants to do.
But was he ever happy there? Perhaps less sad, he felt power and maybe confused it with happiness, but I know he has never experianced love, perhaps never happiness in it's geniune form either.
Fortescue
07-08-2005, 02:02
Yep, due to the lack of success Voldemort has had anywhere near Dumbledore or Harry, I don't think he wanted to chance the fact that the Death Eaters might fail and leave him there facing Dumbledore on enemy ground. Voldemort wants things to be on his terms and wouldn't set himself up for that type of scenario, whether Dumbledore had an injured hand or not. Besides, doesn't Voldemort always send his henchmen to do his dirty work for him?
Now that Dumbledore's gone Voldemort probably has no further need for Hogwarts unless there is something he needs in the Chamber. Especially since Harry doesn't intend to return for his final year. With Voldemort's two biggest enemies gone from the school, Hogwarts is probably safe.
But this is one of the points - he would be waiting in the wings until Dumbledore was cleared - which he was - and then could enter.
This would seem to suggest that as much as Voldemort wanted access to Hogwarts - it was only to remove Dumbledore - because if it was anyhting else - he would have been close by and waiting to enter ... bit like in OoTP when the main chaos had calmed down - he arrived and well we know what happens.
I asked the question as it seems significant that if Hogwarts was an ambition of Voldemort - he could have happily strolled into it after the person he feared had been removed ..
Hermione
07-08-2005, 06:43
I think now more than ever Voldemort could gain entry to Hogwarts. There is always use at a school where so many students attent. Many of them could be put under the imperious curse and made to do his bidding.
There is also the Chamber of Secrets and the possibilty of accessing Dumbledore's pensive. And if he took over Hogwarts quietly, he could use the whomping willow as a way to get to Hogsmead.
Well, we do have to remember that the entrance the Death Eaters took was through Knockturn Alley.. and while it was pretty late when the Death Eaters entered through the Borgin & Burkes vanishing cabinet, I still think Voldemort might not have wanted to risk a nice stroll down the Alley. There might even be certain protections on Diagon Alley, or Aurors patrolling after dark like they do in Hogsmeade.
I'm also going to echo the thoughts about Dumbledore- we know he's the only one Voldemort supposedly ever feared (although i think Harry is probably well on his way to that as well), and as such probably wouldn't just welcome another confrontation. But he did give the task to Draco and he does expect him to fail, so i don't think he'd want to be an audience to this if he thinks Draco is going to fail. Then he would pretty much be forced to take on Dumbledore - and probably doesn't want to do this again so soon after the Ministry encounter.. even though it was a whole year later..
Fortescue
07-08-2005, 08:06
But this is one of the points - he would be waiting in the wings until Dumbledore was cleared - which he was - and then could enter.
This would seem to suggest that as much as Voldemort wanted access to Hogwarts - it was only to remove Dumbledore - because if it was anyhting else - he would have been close by and waiting to enter ... bit like in OoTP when the main chaos had calmed down - he arrived and well we know what happens.
I asked the question as it seems significant that if Hogwarts was an ambition of Voldemort - he could have happily strolled into it after the person he feared had been removed ..
Voldemort tried to get the DADA job 40 years earlier. He had surly found the objects he wanted and made all six of his spare Horcruxes by now. I think the desire for the founders objects would have died since. He merely wanted Dumbledore out of the way so he would then be seen as the most powerful wizard of all by all, and would have his biggest nemesis and Harry's protector out of the way. Voldemort now has a clear field to Harry, or so he thinks, and no one is powerful enough and feared enough by Voldemort for him to give a second thought.
'The Only one he ever feared' had just been killed - I am sure the Ministry wouldnt be a problem for him.
I suppose we have to look at the possiblity he didnt really want to be back at Hogwarts - which is a shame because I felt for some reason he wanted back because it was a place he felt at home ... almost like an small piece of emotion inside him ...
Good question. I thought it was interesting that we didn't see any of Voldemort in this book. (The current Voldemort)
My guess would be that he is off doing bigger and better things and he really did just want to destroy Dumbledore, but then you'd think he'd want to rid himself of the entire Order . . . a lot of whom were there at Hogwarts.
Unless Snape convinced him not to because Snape really isn't such a bad guy afterall . . . :D
Fortescue
11-08-2005, 01:08
'The Only one he ever feared' had just been killed - I am sure the Ministry wouldnt be a problem for him.
I suppose we have to look at the possiblity he didnt really want to be back at Hogwarts - which is a shame because I felt for some reason he wanted back because it was a place he felt at home ... almost like an small piece of emotion inside him ...
I think the emotion of homesickness would be considered a type of warm feeling and we know Voldemort doesn't have any of those types of feelings. That would be too closely tied to love and we know he is not capable of that emotion. It was almost the end of the school year when all the teachers headed home. If he wanted to get into Hogwarts and the Chamber, it would be much easier to do so when the only ones around were Hagrid and Filch.
If he already had Draco pegged for failure, he surely wouldn't count on him to do Dumbledore in and I'm sure Voldemort knew about the Aurors in Hogsmeade. He might not be afraid of the Ministry in general, but he seemed to be a bit hesitant around Aurors - it goes back to the thrice defied thing with the Potters and Longbottoms. I don't think he wanted to take that chance.
I think he would be a bit embarrassed if Draco alone had succeeded in something that he himself couldn't pull off - that is, killing Voldemort's biggest nemesis. He would probably punish Draco either way as it seems that's what he wanted to do anyway - punish him for what his father did. Voldemort had no idea that Dumbledore would actually end up dead.
Voldemort sent the DE's to go fetch the Prophecy - and when it all went bad ... did he stay hidden?
Nope - he was lurking around and chose the moment to appear - which he did ...
This is why I was wondering about HBP - he could have been doing exactly what he did in OoTP - waiting around till the right moment - then appear ...
That is what spawned the question from me ...
I can only assume that Hogwarts isnt important to him now ... or ... yeah where the heck is he?
I mean - he was missing in OoTP and also HBP - OK, that is another thread :p
Fortescue
12-08-2005, 01:47
I guess the reason he didn't show up might have been because of the way he had to get to Hogwarts. Because of the enchantments on the castle his only choice was to go through the cabinet as the Death Eaters did, or wait to be let in the front gates. Dumbledore took the enchantments off the gates so he and Harry could fly over them, but whether those were the only enchantments to keep out intruders, or whether he put the spells back on after they cleared the gate, I have no idea. Harry noted that when they flew over the gates he felt something.
It's not like Voldemort could impressively Apparate into the school as he did the Ministry. I think he probably thought those choices of travel were a bit restrictive! :D
Agreed :p
But he could have waited the other side of the Vanashing cabinet and waited for word ...
As I said - my conclusion is that Hogwarts isnt the thing Voldemort wanted at this point - that might also go for the Chamber ..
I think he stood the best chance of getting in there - the place was in dissaray - he could have made himself at home well before the MoM arrived - even the aurors ... but he didnt ...
...Voldemort had no idea that Dumbledore would actually end up dead.
I agree... Voldemort gave Malfoy the assignment as a death sentence! He had every intention that Malfoy would either be killed in the attempt to snuff big 'D' or that Voldemort would kill him (execution style) once Draco failed! This would pay Lucius for his repeated failures of the dark lord.
I don't beleive that Voldy had any knowledge of Snapes unbreakable vow to Draco's mother. I don't beleive that Voldy knew any details about Draco's plans for getting death eaters into Hogwarts! Draco wasn't telling anybody (especially Snape). Voldy simply demanded that Draco attempt to take Dumbledores life - with every ounce of prediction that he would be killed trying! And IF Draco actually succeeded, well you can't pretend that Voldemort would really be disapointed that this mission didn't proceed as he had predicted it would, could you?
Agreed :p
But he could have waited the other side of the Vanashing cabinet and waited for word ...
I think that Voldemort even having knowledge of the cabinents and Draco's plan is a big (and incorrect assumption). How are you arriving at the assumption that Voldemort has any knowledge of the cabinents, Draco's plan and or the timing of the plan...
But... IF (And I think that's a big IF) he did:
Voldemort has been foiled by Harry Potter more times than any other full wizard! Voldemort has consistently been beaten because he underestimated Harry's values, the power of the protections put on Harry by those who laid their lives before him etc, etc...
Entering Dumbledore's territory with intentions of finishing off Harry Potter immediately after Dumbledore was extinguished thinking that nothing could possibly impead the killing curse this time would be a little too arrogant - even for Voldemort! He may be evil but, I don't think he stupid! My fear is that maybee he is actually getting smarter and realizes that he needs to quench his arrogance from time to time in order to be successfull in the end!
But, I still say Voldemort had no idea what was going to happen, or when it was even happening!
I think you have a point there ...
We are left to assume that the task Draco was set was to kill Dumbledore ... I suppose the exact details on how he was to do it was never really exposed.
But would he have been able to command the Death Eaters around without Voldemort knowing?
Afterall they would have been present when Voldemort branded Draco with the dark mark - and I am sure that Voldemort made it clear to them all to support Draco in the task - so when the time came and he passed the signal back to the DE's - would Voldemort have also found out ... I'm thinking yes.
The keeping people in the dark seemed like a one way street with Voldemort - I would think he demands to know what people are up to in his service.
It's been awhile since anyone posted on this thread, but I just have to chime in. Perhaps some of this has been addressed elsewhere?
I do think Voldemort knew of the Cabinets -- he worked at Borgin and Burkes, and I think the Cabinets was probably one of the reasons he ever wanted the job: So he could either keep tabs on a Horcrux that he hid at Hogwarts, or find one that he hid so well he couldn't find it again (and I do think he made all 6). There may be another reason he wanted to be able to get back into Hogwarts, but I believe there is one, and it didn't have anything to do with teaching.
I also find it curious that, if Draco's assignment was to kill Dumbledore, he chose to spend the school year working on fixing the Cabinet in Hogwarts. (I know that he claims the necklace and mead as his work in the Tower scene, but I'm not wholly convinced; even so, the majority of his time is spent on the Cabinet.)
I think Voldemort wanted those Cabinets fixed. I think he still needs a reason to get back in. Besides a possible misplaced Horcrux from years ago, he now has added incentive -- to get either Dumbledore's Pensieve or Trelawney -- because even though the DE's failed to get the Prophecy in the MoM, I don't think he's stopped wanting it.
As to why he didn't enter immediately: I'm thinking he needed freedom and time to find what he was looking for. With everybody gone for the summer, and Dumbledore dead (or "dead" as the case may be), he'll have both. Besides, when you're immortal, what's the rush?
gumshoe
Actually one point you made there is quite interesting.
Indeed if the task was just to kill Dumbledore - and he had to do it himself - why spend the time making a mechanism for getting others in?
I mean - unless Draco really didbt fancy taking on Dumbledore on his own - then there was a reason he felt compelled to make the gateway in.
I suppose it could be said he wanted the DE's there to help create a diversion so he might be able to get to Dumbledore easier - but i would have thought a more cloak and dagger approach - like with the mead and necklace- would have been more than adequate.
But see Draco claimed it was all his idea to use the cabinets - is he being honest there or trying to steal the Dark Lords thunder?
god is broke
20-10-2005, 08:36
I think voldy wasn't there because he didn't expect it to work. To give such a big task to someone so new was a big risk, one he didn't expect to work. If it did work all the better for him. i think he gave the task to malofy, but had a back up plan for when it didn't work. as for him not being able to go in to hogwarts, i think he can. he must have made at least one horcux when he asked for the job at hogwarts more likley 2 were made. he showed no signs of any disstress when he was in there, so i think he could go in there even now.
What interested me was when Snape was talking to Narcissa and Bellatrix - he talked around the point of the task and concluded that the dark lord expected him to do the deed in the very end.
I still think that Voldemort expected it to work - he placed a great deal into getting the pawn's into position and I think at the very least he expected Malfoy to get Dumbledore into a position Snape could have killed him off with no traces - of course none of then expected Harry to be hiding in the shadows, observing it all ...
god is broke
21-10-2005, 04:36
but wasn't the deed for malfory to do not snape. the only reason snape got involved is because of the unbreakable vow. If he didn't make that vow he might not have even been involed till the very end and only in the fight not in the death.
"He intends me do it in the end, I think. But he is determined that Draco should try first. You see, in the unlikely event that Draco succeeds, I shall be able to remain at Hogwarts a little longer, fullfilling my useful role as spy".
That was what interested me - each time I read it - it just jumped out at me - because at this point we are in a dillema if Snape really did know the plan and was told by Voldemort - or he was an excellent guesser who thrived off the small comments made by Narcissa ...
confused_stml
21-10-2005, 19:55
Maybe he didnt because he wants to fight harry when he knows that harry is strong enough to fight him. But then again why would he want to kill DD. So im not so sure but does he really know that Harry is the one?
Dumbledore was the only one Voldemort ever feared. Dumbledore stood between Harry and him - and he knew he had to find a way of getting Dumbledore out of the way before he could ever get close enough to kill Harry - because Dumbledore would always be close.
With Dumbledore gone from Hogwarts - the last stronghold of Dumbledore's presence has been breeched and thus Voldemort is that more powerful. The fact Dumbledore is gone makes Voldemort more powerful because now he hold no fear of anything other than death - and the one person that can bring this about doesnt scare him!
Voldemort would have had the best chance to kill Harry that night just after Dumbledore had died - because Harry was so full of hate for Snape - so single visioned that anything else wouldnt have mattered and also would have made him weak because he was so unfocused of others around him.
Aeon1006
22-10-2005, 19:07
I aggree with Alz. Voldemort had to get rid of Dumbledore in order to have the best chance to destroy Harry. It may have back fired on Voldemort however. It has galvanized Harry's Resolve to destroy Voldemort and the Death Eaters.
I suppose adding to this - if he realised someone was successful in killing Dumbledore - wouldnt it have been in his interests to get to the Chamber of Secrets and try and establish base in there?
I mean - I wonder if maybe he has?????
That place is well protected and also a safe ground to the Heir of Slytherin - I would have thought that all things considered - the events the way they panned out - if Hogwarts was ever a goal then that was his best chance.
We know Voldemort wanted back there - we have a thread on this subject so wont spout off here - but I actually question again did Voldemort enter?
Fortescue
03-11-2005, 00:32
It would seem that if Voldemort entered Hogwarts at any time, Harry would have felt him through his scar! Even though Voldemort could block his mind from Harry, he had no control over the scar on Harry's forehead. Harry would have surely known had Voldermort been anywhere near when he came down from the tower.
Vold. E. Mort
03-11-2005, 05:57
Voldemort's desire to return to Hogwarts was to find relics of the original 4 to use for his horcruxes. Obviously, at this point, he's found them or used something else instead.. And, with the basalisk dead, I seriously doubt the CoS is of much use to him anymore. Cool hideout, right under the good guy's nose, but not a very easily accessible one when he wants the DE gang over for a chat. Maybe if he managed to get the cabinet down there, but that's a big maybe..
It would seem that if Voldemort entered Hogwarts at any time, Harry would have felt him through his scar! Even though Voldemort could block his mind from Harry, he had no control over the scar on Harry's forehead. Harry would have surely known had Voldermort been anywhere near when he came down from the tower.
OK, this could strike debate but I was under the impression the only reason the scar hurt was it was reacting to Voldemort being in his head. Now Voldemort has blocked him out - notice Harry never feels any pain anymore?
I think the reason it hurts more when Voldemort was close is because Voldemort's emotions take charge and he cant control his lust to want to kill Harry.
I do still feel he visited Hogwarts that night - he used the DE's as an effective diversion - all the Order members, Staff and capable students were all concentrating on one place - the perfect plan!
I still have to think, deep inside me, that Voldemort will be in Hogwarts during book 7 and the end of the series takes place there - the story uses Hogwarts as it's foundation and it is steeped in symbolism from the other founders.
IntheOrder
15-12-2005, 19:00
I think Voldemort was testing Draco, to see if he will be a worthy death eater later. He told him that it was his job to kill Dumbledore, and that being known, it would be fairly pointless for Voldemort to come to the school. It was about Draco, and Dumbledore being killed seemed to be a bonus.
SnarkologyMajor
16-12-2005, 04:07
Yes! Voldemort definately wanted to stay out of Harry's head in HBP and the very fact that we didn't see hide nor hair of him is sinister and purposeful on J.K.R.'s part. I also feel that the Chamber of Secrets is a good guess as to where the series will end (of course I'm biased because of my Salazar/Voldemort theory:D ) One of the points that Jo got across in HBP is Voldemort's extreme attachment to Hogwarts and everything to do with Hogwarts(hence the school artifacts) You'd almost think he feels that the school is his...hmmm.
Everyone was very distracted there at the end of HBP and this was probably Voldemort's real goal. I have had suspicions since that mirror scene in OOTP that Voldemort may already be in the Chamber of Secrets. When Harry and Voldemort were mind-melding and Harry saw Voldemort's face in the mirror it mentions an old cracked mirror-and the mirror in Myrtle's bathroom was cracked! May be a stretch but still....gives me the creeps.:eek:
If Voldemort was ever to grace Hogwarts again - that whole scene represented the best chance for him.
The organised chaos that was taking place would have easily allowed for him to have used the cabinets as well. I mean come on - the biggest part of his legacy still lays there - the Chamber of Secrets.
I think he needed to get back into there and took the chance knowing the whole school was diverted - if Draco killed Dumbledore that was a bonus - but given that there was DE's in the school - Dumbledore would have been more likely to want to resolve that than any other thing that could have taken place ...
SnarkologyMajor
12-02-2006, 01:48
Certainly agree Alz-I'm not convinced Voldemort particularly cared about Draco (other than an opportunity to cause Lucius pain), if the kid actually succeeded in killing Dumbledore-then so much the better. If he was interested in anyone's actions that night, it was Snape-and Dumbledore being completely distracted (was he really?).
After Voldemort tried to possess Harry at the MoM-I think his agenda changed! I feel that he finally realized that Harry really is the one who can destroy him-and since we didn't hear or see him in HBP, it just makes sense that his plans included access into Hogwarts and the Chamber of Secrets. That is what the Lightning Struck Tower scene was all about from Voldemort's perspective-I feel that he was the master behind the scenes, manipulating events and using the art of distraction. Harry's first thought after Dumbledore's demise was to get to the cabinet-but he was certainly distracted....that's why I think Voldemort's plan to enter Hogwarts was probably achieved. This gives J.K.R. a way out of writing a story about a school dropout:D
Fortescue
12-02-2006, 18:54
OK, this could strike debate but I was under the impression the only reason the scar hurt was it was reacting to Voldemort being in his head. Now Voldemort has blocked him out - notice Harry never feels any pain anymore?
But that doesn't make sense because Voldemort didn't get into Harry's head until he caught Harry in the snakes mind in his dream about Mr. Weasley.
Before that, Voldemort was not aware that Harry could see through his own eyes. We saw his scar hurt since SS/PS, when Voldemort was attached to the back of Quirrell's head. Voldemort didn't know about that aspect of his connection to Harry until he caught Harry looking through the snakes eyes and that's when he blocked his mind so Harry wouldn't see what he was up to. I'd imagine if Voldemort was anywhere near Harry, the scar would still hurt. The pain in his scar in the first book was referred to as a warning. I'm sure if Voldemort chose to reopen that connection, he could, but in the meantime, Harry's scar would still hurt.
It hurt in the ministry when Voldemort was at the fountain so badly it almost caused him to pass out - the pain made him completely vulnerable to Voldemort, yet Voldemort was all ready aware of Harry's ability to look into his mind and I'm sure that door was all ready shut at that time.
What I mean to say in that quote was that Harry and Voldemort maintained an open connection - be it both of them didn't realise exactly what it was ... and I think Voldemort getting a body again compounded and made it more noticeable.
Harry could always feel Voldemort even when he was a vapour because he always maintained that contact (this of course could be another H is a H pointer) whereas Voldemort was still heavily weakened and floating around as a less than spirit ... once he got form and his strength again, I think he started to realise he could feel Harry.
He used this ability to his own ends in OoTP and once he and Harry were fully aware that they had this two way connection - he blocked Harry out.
I have no doubts that he would open it back up if it suited him - it seems Harry is the one with the inability to block Voldemort - but right now he doesn't want Harry seeing anything and as such his mind in now closed to Harry - in fact Dumbledore even says this in HBP ...
SnarkologyMajor
20-02-2006, 03:22
Certainly agree that Voldemort had devious plans in HBP that he didn't want Harry privy to-and that is why Harry didn't experience Voldemort flitting in and out of his head. Even though Harry is an abyssmal occlumens-we have indications that he could be as good a legilimens as Voldemort, because they share the same powers. The few times that Harry has tapped into Snape's head seems to indicate this-since obviously Snape has to be the best Occlumens that has ever lived. Are the tables going to be turned on Voldemort in the final book, or is it just too dangerous for Harry to purposefully tap into Voldemort's mind? Snape's parting lesson for Harry seems to be key:D
Drifting back into the topic after my digression ... sorry ..
Are we being assumptive that Voldemort didn't get into Hogwarts that night?
I don't know, something just doesn't seem right once again ... why would Voldemort send Draco after Dumbledore?
We know that Voldemort wanted Harry before GoF - I'm not convinced he really still feels the need to face even Harry off ... why didn't he send Draco after Harry instead?
Perhaps he does still place enormous faith in the prophecy ... although if Draco could have killed Harry and all ... ok, OT warning ...
What I was trying to say was perhaps the whole Draco/Dumbledore exercise was a diversion - Draco gets the DE's into the school and then Voldemort rightly assumes that the Order and Dumbledore will deal with them - leaving the entrance used open and available for someone else to sneak in there ... what if he is still in there in the Chamber!?!
Ana C.B.Rodrigues
20-02-2006, 15:47
Brilliant Blaise!
But, I think that Voldemort's soul, being ripped so much, would actually cause him pain, should he enter a place that he was once quite attached to. So, it's not that he didn't WANT to enter, it's because he couldn't due to the fact that the emotion he would feel, returning to a place he was once happy in, would cause him mortal pain, in a similar fashion to what he feels when he tries to possess Harry- he comes in contact with his own, distant emotions, and (could it be?) a bit of love, so he cannot endure it long enough to carry out whatever he wants to do.
I think that Voldemort has never felt Happiness in is whole life, otherwise he wouldn't have Change his name after hogwarts and wouldn't look up for darck arts.
As a matter of fact if he had known real hapiness he wouldn't have those atitudes and thoughts. The real trick is that despite his power voldemor acts cowardly.
I disagree - I think Riddle felt more at home surrounded by all the magic of Hogwarts than anything else he had known ...
I think that is part of the reason he wanted to come back ... ohhh - and his birthright is built right under the foundations of Hogwarts.
Remember he even picked the objects to seal his soul in based on Hogwarts ... that guy really did like Hogwarts ... now, if he actually felt an emotion about it or just the draw - that is a different subject ... but he felt closer to Hogwarts than anything in his life ... it represents so much to him ... and of course an inexhaustible supply of kids to make into little DE's ... :p
Ana C.B.Rodrigues
22-02-2006, 14:54
Well in any case it wasn't true happiness, was it? cause if it was he wouldn't become Lord Voldemort...
I think He's kind of obsessed...
Obsession can be good and bad ... I think Voldemort is capable of emotions, just not positive ones ... we saw this in OoTP when Harry could feel Voldemort happy when he was being rather evil ... but still happiness just not in the same way we would perceive it ...
I would call it perverse pleasure ... yet still pleasing to Voldemort ...
Ergo, I think he does feel something for Hogwarts, something that gave him an identity and his way forward, turned him from a orphan into a really powerful wizard ...
If Voldemort could feel any kind of positive emotion, Hogwarts would bring it out in him because it made him who he was ... sadly :p
Dumbledore even says pretty much all of this in HBP - Voldemort was closer to Hogwarts that perhaps anything else in his life ... hence the real draw to him of Hogwarts ..
Ana C.B.Rodrigues
10-03-2006, 11:29
Well... I think that he feels like he needs to prove he is the best... he doesn't feel happy and feels like he needs to get everything that was denied to him... he was denied a place in Hogwarts staff.... He wants to make Hogwarts his property.... well It's my theory...
Seeker615
10-03-2006, 13:40
Isn't it funny that Harry has always felt Hogwarts was his only real home too.
It will be interesting if the final battle is at Hogwarts
SnarkologyMajor
11-03-2006, 01:29
To me -the use of the word "Secrets" in connection to a chamber that Voldemort considers his, implies that we will be there again doesn't it? With all of the ouroborous symbolism attached to the Chamber of Secrets, it just feels right that the final battle would be there (what comes around goes around:D ) I haven't forgotten the strange green smoke in the chamber, the dark water, the under the lake cavern(w/vast ceiling), the ancient statue of Salazar-wait can anyone say-green potion, black lake, ancient cave(w/vast ceiling), ancient blood magic...hmmm. How do you hide a basilik for a thousand years anyway?:D
BTW - ouroborous symbol on Chamber - isnt so - it was around 6 snakes spaced out across the entrance going wiggly straight and then one single snake passed around the edge to open the door (watched CoS on the plane home yesterday!) - so it was kind of an ouroborous but not the clear one I would have hoped for!
JKR makes many comparisions between Harry and Voldemort - more H is a H material for my mind ...
I think that in order for Voldemort and the chamber to come into play - Voldemort might have sneeked in there afterall during the diversion created by the DE's etc - otherwise how else is he going to get in there - I should imagine safety and security will be really tighten if the school re-opens!
SnarkologyMajor
12-03-2006, 15:09
Probably the biggest visual I got of the ouroboros was the basilisk coming out of the mouth of Slytherin's statue, I mean talk about a snake eating it's own tail:D I suppose it's subtle symbolism but still...It did seem like in the movie they were alluding to it w/those snakes going around(I have to buy a new copy:( ) In the book I think there were 2 snakes that parted in half (Voldemort/Harry/Dumbledore's silver instrument), but there were also snakes entwining the columns-it was all quite snakey:D Anyway my guess is that if there is a time portal hanging around anywhere-then the mouth of Slytherins statue is a very good candidate.
Ana C.B.Rodrigues
28-03-2006, 08:56
Yeah.... that part where dumbledore says..."but in essence divided"~
Probably the biggest visual I got of the ouroboros was the basilisk coming out of the mouth of Slytherin's statue, I mean talk about a snake eating it's own tail:D I suppose it's subtle symbolism but still...It did seem like in the movie they were alluding to it w/those snakes going around(I have to buy a new copy:( ) In the book I think there were 2 snakes that parted in half (Voldemort/Harry/Dumbledore's silver instrument), but there were also snakes entwining the columns-it was all quite snakey:D Anyway my guess is that if there is a time portal hanging around anywhere-then the mouth of Slytherins statue is a very good candidate.
OK, now that is cool - sorry I thought you meant the door to the chamber but you are right - the basilisk coming from statue of Salazar's mouth is a pretty cool way of looking at it!
Defo snake eating it's own tail - or at the very least the snake emerging from the person that symbolised snakes so much, parselmouth, house crest etc!
Sorry - to add to in essence divided - did you need more of a visual about H is a H!
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