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In the end of OOTP, we are told that the dementors are refusing to take orders for the ministry, and have taken over Azkaban, then Malfoy and Harry have an argument, and Malfoy even tells Harry that since the Dementors have taken over, his father will be free soon, leading us to believe that Vodlermort will control Azkaban, then at the end of TJBP, Dumbledore tells Malfoy that his father is in Azkaban, and safe for the moment. Did I miss something saying that the Ministry had retaken control of Azkaban?
Fortescue
12-08-2005, 01:14
The dementors didn't take control of Azkaban, they simply left to join Voldemort. With their soul sucking guards gone, the prisoners simply walked away. I'm sure that the Ministry had to go back to their old way of caring for and controlling the prisoners. I'd imagine with spells and charms used to isolate and control. I'm sure the Imperius curse was used even if it was illegal, but seeing how some people can fight it, I'm sure they wouldn't trust or depend on the curse to much.
The only reason Malfoy said his father would be out was because he figured he would be able to bust out immediately since the dementors were gone. I'd imagine that Azkaban had a pretty good way to control the prisoners before the dementors came along and Malfoy gave his dad a bit too much credit because he obviously didn't escape in HBP.
Yah, the Dementor's left guard of Azkaban ...
And Lucius - not sure he was in any hurry to leave - he must have know that Voldemort would be mad as hell because of what happened in the DoM end of OoTP.
He was probably safer in there than outside!
I think that the Ministry resorted to posting Aurors at Azkaban - wasnt that mentioned somewhere?
Snuffles
02-09-2005, 05:26
He was probably safer in there than outside!
lol. :D Yup. That goes for me too. The dementors were only the guards of the prison, but they didn't control Azkaban. I wonder, though; how did the MoM manage to control the dementors before the revival of Voldemort?
The Frozen North
02-09-2005, 09:51
I think it was a simple as, they had no other home so Azkaban was as good as any. At least there they could do what they liked best (depressing people - sounds like my favourite football (soccer for the americans) team. lol) and not get attacked by wizards for doing so. What you might call a marriage of convenience.
I think it was a simple as, they had no other home so Azkaban was as good as any. At least there they could do what they liked best (depressing people - sounds like my favourite football (soccer for the americans) team. lol) and not get attacked by wizards for doing so. What you might call a marriage of convenience.
Agreed ...
The atmosphere of a prison makes people miserable - well suppose to ...
That would have made some nice meals for the Dementors ..
We have a thread about Dementors where this was talked about - but I think the Dementors are just looking for who can give them what they desire in the easiest manner - like now you can see their attraction to Voldemort ...
Fortescue
02-09-2005, 12:47
I'm sure that all the other Death Eaters that got hauled in at the same time Lucius did were probably in ill favor with Voldemort just the same as Lucius. They were probably all more than happy to just sit in their nice little cells. You know Voldemort is not going to chance going to Azkaban to get his revenge on them, so they are pretty safe right where they are. They probably hope Harry will kill Voldemort so they don't have to worry about him if they ever get out. :D
The Dementors are under command by Voldemort.
We have never been told if Dementors can be killed.
As such - if you get a big enough concentration of them decend on Azkaban, would the aurors be able to stop them getting in there?
As such - I think the DE's arent sleeping that easily - althought they are pretty safe, I'm sure they almost sleep with one eye open ;)
Fortescue
03-09-2005, 11:15
The Dementors are under command by Voldemort.
We have never been told if Dementors can be killed.
As such - if you get a big enough concentration of them decend on Azkaban, would the aurors be able to stop them getting in there?
As such - I think the DE's arent sleeping that easily - althought they are pretty safe, I'm sure they almost sleep with one eye open ;)
But it only takes one properly performed Patronus Charm to do away with all the dementors, so I'd assume that any or all of the Aurors they have guarding Azkaban would be able to perform a Corporeal Patronus. ;)
... as I said - get a big enough concentration of Dementors, would the Aurors be capable of stopping them?
Sirius Potter Fan
03-09-2005, 16:49
... as I said - get a big enough concentration of Dementors, would the Aurors be capable of stopping them?
especially, when to conjure a patronus, you have to think of a very happy moment, and with alot of dementors around, it would be quite hard to "think happy thoughts" wouldn't it!
In the numbers that could be established with them 'Breeding' I think a situation could occur when they swarm like locus and people will be unable to perform a strong enough Patronus to stop the swarm.
I think it is possible and even plausible - hence why Voldemort seems to be allowing them to breed, where as the Ministry seemed to post almost a virtual cull on this ...
Food for thought and all - might explain why JKR wants to have more of them around :D
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