The Jumper?

[Alz]

With a noise like an explosion, something very large and pale erupted out of the dark water some twenty feet away;before Harry could see what it was, it had vanished again with a crashing splash that made great, deep ripples on the mirrored surface.

OK - This was the moment Harry used Accio to try and retrieve the Horcrux.

Simple question - why did a single inferi jump out of the water?

[George]

Good question.
However, there is a simple, quite logical answer: Only one Inferius was bewitched to "catch" the Horcrux, should it try to fly off- Voldemort didn't see much point in bewitching too many of them, as there was always the risk they collide in an attempt to seize the object! So, besides being a risky job, it would have been unnecessary- giving one Inferius the agility to grab the Horcrux no matter what would have been enough.
There is something else though: Why bewitch an Inferius to jump out of the water to catch the object on its way to the caster, as opposed to making the object unmovable, unless the liquid that protected it had been consumed? That would have been the more practical manner, right?

[Alz]

The clue is in your answer dude ;)

Dumbledore tried all manner of things to remove the liquid - to try and get to the Horcrux - but some invisible force over the top meant you could only drink your way to it ...
As such - when Harry calls for the Horcrux - it shouldn't move .... if it was in the center island :p

Why would one inferi stir when it was called for ... bearing in mind what you know of the protection it was under - that is where I am going ;)

[Sir Cadogan]

Maybe it was a kind of scarecrow - to keep as many people away from the place as possible. On the other hand, if somebody had already found out how to get through the secret door in the rock (by sacrificing some blood), such a person wouldn't be scared by a single Inferius jumping out of the water ...

[kashlie]

Could it be that the jumper was the victim with which this horcrux was made?












ps. i thought this thread was going to be about Mrs Weasley's knitting skills :p

[Boing]

I really like Kashlie's idea that perhaps it was the victim him/herself that jumped out of the water. I think most likely it was a warning. Should someone try any really obvious way of retrieving the horcrux, the inferi would jump up and serve as a warning not to go any further . . .

PS - I also thought this thread was going to be about Mrs. Weasley's sweaters . . . :D

[Fortescue]

It could be the inferi was like a guard to scare anyone thinking of going across to the island. I'd imagine it was inchanted to jump when magic was used. Harry's spell shot directly over the top of the water. Can you imagine trying to fly over on a broom and having those things jump out at you?

What I never understood about that scene was why didn't they just Apparate to the island and skip the boat all together?

[Alz]

It was noted that the cave was that high Harry couldnt see the roof - as such if he was worried about a jumper - he could have flown pretty high - dont think the inferi would have jumped that high :p
I'm with Kasher - hence why I raised it ...
Harry called for the Horcrux - a single inferi jumps out of the water some 20 feet away ... if you wanted to put the wind up someone - should have had the one closest to the edge make a jump ;)
Not sure here - but I think that the inferi that jumped - well what if it was RAB or indeed the victim who was used to seal that Horcrux?
I just find it so odd that one jumped - a distance away as well ... if I wanted to put someone off I would have been in their face :p

[Angel]

i also like Kashlies idea about the person whom was killed to make the horcrux being the one who jumped...

but where DID all the bodies come form in the first place... huge underground lake - oh yeh just randomly filled with dead bodies...

could this be the "final resting place" of all of the death eaters and voldemorts victims..?

or were they all just magicked there once being turned inferi?

that would be the question to ask yourself...


((yeh i thought of mrs weaslys knitting too! i thought it was going to be along the lines of "why does mrs weasley not make hermionie jumpers but shes does harry...??")) lol!!

Angel
xXx

[Sir Cadogan]

Not sure here - but I think that the inferi that jumped - well what if it was RAB or indeed the victim who was used to seal that Horcrux?
Blaise, it can't be RAB, can it? If RAB is the one (or are the group) that stole the real Horcrux and put in the fake one, ... oh, I see: You think Voldemort found out about it and punished RAB by setting him/them up as 'guards' for the fake horcrux?
The other possibility being: V. doesn't even know about it being stolen and still thinks his existence sevenfold. :cool:

[halliemei]

Actually, the idea of the jumper being RAB isn't completely off. Think of it this way:

RAB stole the real horcrux. He's holding it when he's dragged into the water by the infiri (like they were doing Harry). He's under the water, with the horcrux still in his hand (or pocket). Harry accio'ed the horcrux, and it tried to reach him, but it was still with RAB. So, it flies toward Harry, and the weight of RAB pulled it back down. Okay, it's not my best theory, but it does make some sense. :confused:

[Piper]

Blaise, I think the possibility that that single inferi was RAB is BRILLIANT, and it makes perfect sense.

I was wondering earlier in a post if RAB had made it out alive, considering how much emphasis JKR Put on how Dumbledore would not have been able to do it alone. But I would have never thought about the one Inferi that jumped when Harry called accio!

Page 654 US Edition, The Cave
"Voldermort would have been reasonably confident that none but a very great wizzard would have been able to find the boat," "I think he would have been prepared to risk what was, to his mind, the most unlikely possibility that somebody else would find it, knowing he had set other obstacles ahead that only he would be able to penetrate. We shall see whether he is right."

And we don't know how Reglus Black died, only that he did not survive long after quitting the Death Eaters, and the note does say, "I face death in the hopes..."
Clearly he knew it was dangerous to fool with a horcrux, so he very well could be dead in that water.

The hole I see in this theory is that RAB would have died before he could have replaced the real horcruix with the false one, as he would not have been able to have drank all of the potion, Dumbledore had to be forced by Harry to do it, so either:

1)someone else was with him that did not register magical powers, an elf I am thinking, like Kreature,
AND/OR
2) RAB could have replaced the potion in the basin with the potion that Dumbledore drank.

Meaning RAB drank something else, something that should have allowed him to survive long enough for Voldermort to have questioned him, (this was dumbledore's theory), perhaps something that left a mark of some kind on his body so Voldermort would know someone was messing with his horcruix. But somehow he wound up in the water instead.

If the Inferi turns out to be RAB, I'll bet Harry will call on the Merpeople to help him on this :)

[Alz]

OK - so many options - so many paths from this really ...
I think we all kinda agree that in order to make it into that place and back out - you would need more than one person, so let's look at that ...
We have person R and person A ...
R drinks the liquid - A forces the last bit down - R needs a drink A does same as Harry and ends up dipping into the water - A is taken into the water with the real Horcrux
R drinks the liquid - A gets water - A gets scared by the Inferios and leaves - as R is taken - horcrux and all into the water
R drinks the liquid - shared plan, A knows R is going to die - R's plan is to go take Horcrux into the water with them to die ... Didnt someone recently post that Voldemort still needed the boat as he didnt want to get in with the inferi?

Of course - if RAB was on their own - then perhaps they were younger and stronger - able to stave the effects of the liquid enough to drink it, get the Horcrux and then just fell into the water ...

I also liked Voldemort placing RAB as an inferi into the water as an external punishement for not confessing where the Horcrux was ...

So may possibilities :D

[Piper]

I also liked Voldemort placing RAB as an inferi into the water as an external punishement for not confessing where the Horcrux was ...

well, that would mean that Voldermort knew of R.A.B. taking the Horcrux and destroying it, and I don't think he does know it is gone.

[Alz]

I think there is a few scenario's - that was just a couple I could think of at the time :p

We know that Voldemort cannot feel when a Horcrux is destroyed - but I wonder if he would have been searching his and low if he did know it was gone - I mean in the scheme of things and what he had to do to create them - they are something to treasure!

I would still be interested in other theories or thoughts on the jumper though :D

[Sirius Potter Fan]

Well, think is, we know that the real locket Horcrux made it to Grumuald place don't we? It seems that we have pretty much agreed on that. So what if, the jumper possesed another of the missing Horcruxes? Or, if the infiri that jumped had been made a Horcrux, only that doesn't seem like Voldemort, he wanted the Horcruxes to be special objects. . .but it could be possible that they possesed it, had been made to swallow it perhaps? But. . . in either of those cases, why would the Horcrux not have come all the way to Harry? Why did it jump and then go back in the water?

[Alz]

I'm not 100% sure on that being the locket you know ... I think it is fav thou ...
As obvious as it is - would suggest it isnt the one - but I like the one that was Merope's, was spotted by Hermione in Spinner's End ... used by Rosemata/Draco later to attack Katie Bell ... I was saving this for a thread but you forced my hand ...
When Katie touched it - read how she reacted .... sounds a bit like later on and another possible horcrux location :p
Could help put the B in RAB as well ;) :D

[halliemei]

I hate to disagree, Blaise, but I found something INTERESTING in my current read of CoS. When Harry visits Borgin and Burkes (chapter 4, page 52 US Paperback):

Draco paused to examine a long coil of hangman's rope and to read, smirking, the card propped on a magnificent necklace of opals, Caution: Do Not Touch. Cursed -- Has Claimed the Lives of Nineteen Muggle Owners to Date

If you remember the chapter in HBP, it was called Silver and Opals. It was described, thus (page 250 US)

An ornate opal necklace was visible, poking out of the paper.

And Harry remembered it from B&B. Coincidentally, Hermione had asked about the same one when she followed Draco in earlier that book.


OR am I misinterpreting your post?

[Alz]

I think you misinterpreted my post there hun ...
What I was suggesting is that the necklace which was used to attack Katie Bell etc was indeed the real Horcrux - contra to most popular belief that the one Ginny stumbled across in OoTP in Sirius House was the most likely one.
What you came across there BTW is dynamite - I think I will split this into another thread!


With a noise like an explosion, something very large and pale erupted out of the dark water some twenty feet away;before Harry could see what it was, it had vanished again with a crashing splash that made great, deep ripples on the mirrored surface.

OK - This was the moment Harry used Accio to try and retrieve the Horcrux.

Simple question - why did a single inferi jump out of the water?
Everytime I read of hear this - it bugs me a great deal ...
I still wonder if the real horcrux is in the hand of RAB and he/she is now an inferious ...
I cant work out why a single inferi jumped when Harry called ... and why so far away - if you wanted to scare someone better to jump in front of them and let them see what they are dealing with ...
No, I think there is a single jumper for a reason!