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Alz
16-08-2005, 13:21
"i'm going to bed," yawned Ginny. "I haven't been sleeping that well since ... well ... I could do with some sleep."
Interested me when I read it - given Ginny's past and all - prolly something benign but figured I would raise it to see if I am being over-analytical :o

yarvelling
16-08-2005, 14:11
...Since she and Harry started going together? Hearts all a-flutter? Young love? Y'know!!
I don't know where in the US version she and Harry get together; I have the UK book; remind me....to whom is she speaking at the time that she makes that statement?
Or, are you thinking maybe it's somekind of a throw-back to her time with Riddle's diary? That is a possibility; maybe an experience of that magnitude on someone so young and niaeve could leave deep scars!

Fortescue
16-08-2005, 14:15
I imagine being Harry Potter's girlfiend would be quite taxing. If you think about it - before, when he was just her brother's best friends she still worried about him, but since they started a relationship and grew closer, I'd imagine she was even more concerned. She didn't know of the Horcruxes. Harry only told that information to Ron and Hermione, so I'm sure she knew there were things she was not being told.

I can only speculate, but it's possible that she was up at night doing a bit of snooping and investigating. I think she probably knew more about what was going on than Harry, Ron, or Hermione even imagined. She is, after all, a very intelligent witch. She's not the type to just sit by stupidly when important things are going on all around her and she is not made part of it. She was probably doing all her snooping while the others slept.

Remember what she said to Harry when he broke up with her at Dumbledore's funeral. She said she knew he was going to go off to chase Voldemort. Maybe she knew a bit more!

Boing
17-08-2005, 05:42
I think it's important that this quote happened after the night of the big encounter with the DE's, Dumbledore's death, etc. I think it quite possible that Ginny was simply saying she hadn't slept well since that particular night, since all that stuff had happened. Would you sleep well? :D

The phrasing of it is such that she is most likely remembering Dumbledore's death and doesn't want to come out and say, "since Dumbledore died," so she just says, "since, well, I could do with some sleep."

That's my take on it . . .nothing sinister . . .;)

Alz
17-08-2005, 12:07
Ok - let me start by saying I did feel I was being a little over-analytical here :o

@ Yarvy - Ginny still loves Harry - Harry is in no less danger ...

@ Forte - same deal as above - Harry was under no less danger - so no reasons for her to rest

@ Boingy - Still not convinced she was as attached as Harry, Ron and Hermione .. as such Dumbledore's death would have been a shock but enough to effect her sleep?

Of course - my mind does flutter to her link with Riddle (decreased Horcrux) but it was a very slender and skinny thought - maybe a consideration thou?

Fortescue
17-08-2005, 12:54
I don't think Ginny's comment was in regards to just not sleeping since Dumbledore died as it was only a day or two before this particular quote.

It could be that she too was working on something for Dumbledore. Dumbledore and Harry had their little secret that Harry would not even tell McGonagall about after his death. Maybe Dumbledore had a little job for Ginny as well, something she was not supposed to tell anyone, and maybe it links to what Blaise said. Maybe Dumbledore gave Ginny a task because of her possession by Riddle in the diary, something he figured she could handle because of her experience, and she too was told not to say anything to anyone.

Boing
17-08-2005, 13:31
Okay, I still have to say that this is overanalyzing. If you were in a huge battle with a bunch of DEs and one of your fellow students and a teacher were basically responsible for killing the headmaster and the school was all in a tizzy, do you think you would sleep okay? Knowing that the DEs had managed to find a way into the school once - I think I might be a tad worried they would do it again or might come back. Perhaps some nightmares about what you saw happening to your family members and friends?

It doesn't have to be all about Dumbledore dying, it's just the terrifying events of that night.

Alz
18-08-2005, 10:35
Ginny knew Riddle in a way none of us are really sure of - and at a young age ... I think it might have lead her to become somewhat afraid of sleeping ... be it flashback's or what - I just wonder if this was her exposing this for the first time.
I happen to feel that perhaps what she learnt in there with Riddle might prove to help later on - look at my CoS chapter analysis of The Heir of Slytherin to see some of the things Riddle said.

I dont deny it could be over-analysis - but some things can lead to bigger things :p

Fortescue
19-08-2005, 14:25
I wonder what Dumbledore would have seen had he taken a few bits of Ginny's memory from the time she was under Riddle's possession. It could be that he had a higher purpose for her than we have yet been shown. Dumbledore borrowed memories from all the other people he could find that had contact with Riddle over the years. It could be some of those memories he analyzed were Ginny's as well!

Mr.Prongs
19-08-2005, 16:10
I wonder what Dumbledore would have seen had he taken a few bits of Ginny's memory from the time she was under Riddle's possession.

I dont konw if that would be possible. She couldn't remember anything that happened when she was possessed

Fortescue
20-08-2005, 00:42
There had to be plenty of things she did remember about her relationship with Tom, after all, she talked to him in the diary for almost a year. It could be Dumbledore took some of those memories and found something important and set Ginny a task because of her possession. Just because she was occasionally possessed by Riddle doesn't means she doesn't remember deep in her subconsious what passed between them.

If Dumbledore gave her something of her own to do that would definitely cause a few sleepless nights, especially if she, like Harry, hadn't completed those tasks before he died.

Alz
20-08-2005, 01:54
I am in agreement with Forte here - you have to understand the complexity of the septology .. I think that the memories Ginny held could hold clues.
I always used to debate this point on the other side of the fence - but when I did the CbyC on The Heir of Slytherin I found some interesting comments in there ..

‘Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few secrets of my own, to start pouring a little of my soul back into her’ – Tom Riddle

As you can see - inside her yound mind was some 'secrets' of a young and niave Riddle - the one who was still unaware of what he might go on to become - as such he though she was going to die - and well, passed some secrets of his own ... now tell me that isnt ripe for Harry to exploit :)

Boing
20-08-2005, 04:51
While I agree that there are most likely some interesting "memories" or "secrets" inside Ginny's head due to her encounter with Tom Riddle, I really don't think that it has anything to do with that quote about her not sleeping.

Sorry, Blaise. But, then again, we'll probably find out that you were right all along . . . ;)

Fortescue
20-08-2005, 06:27
I am in agreement with Forte here - you have to understand the complexity of the septology .. I think that the memories Ginny held could hold clues.
I always used to debate this point on the other side of the fence - but when I did the CbyC on The Heir of Slytherin I found some interesting comments in there ..

As you can see - inside her yound mind was some 'secrets' of a young and niave Riddle - the one who was still unaware of what he might go on to become - as such he though she was going to die - and well, passed some secrets of his own ... now tell me that isnt ripe for Harry to exploit :)

I don't think I'd call it Harry exploiting her memories. If indeed, Dumbledore left an assortment of memories he collected to help Harry, some of those might belong to Ginny, and Dumbledore simply didn't have time to get to them before his death. I think her memories could be quite useful; they might even include some of Riddle's early information on Horcruxes, especially since he didn't intend for her to live to tell.

It seems odd that Dumbledore had sworn Harry to secrecy except for Hermione and Ron, and not include Harry's girlfriend, who had been with him in the Department of Mysteries battle with the Death Eaters. Whatever use her memories might have been to Dumbledore, and eventually to Harry, I believe they are there in Dumbledore's collection and Harry will be made aware of them and they will be useful. As for knowing what type of job she might have been set that would cause her sleepless nights, I'll have to think on it, but I don't believe her comment was simply regarding current events.

The Welsh Witch
20-08-2005, 08:42
I agree with Boing, I don't think that there's anything sinister in her remark, probably just didn't want to mention yet another death of someone close to Harry in front of him, and although she may not have been as close to Dumbledore as the other three she does know about The Order of the Phoenix, was in the DA and since then has been party to more of what's been going on between Harry and Dumbledore that she must realise how important he was and the repercussions his death could have i.e Voldermort's possible return which would undoubtedly make her more nervous than most.