The Phoenix Lament

[Alz]

In the chapter by the same name - you have many of the central characters in the hospital wing.
At one point they all observe Fawkes song - it makes them feel almost better inside ... but what I thought was really freaky was this ...


Somewhere out in the darkness, a phoenix was singing in a way Harry had never heard before: a stricken lament of terrible beauty. And Harry felt, as he had felt about the phoenix song before, that the music was inside him, not without: It was his own grief turned magically to a song that echoed across the grounds and through the castle windows.
How long they all stood there, listening, he did not know, nor why it seemed to ease their pain a little to listen to the sound of their mourning, but it felt like a long time later the hosptital door opened again and Professor McGonagall entered the ward.

a bit later

Everyone roused themselves as though coming out of trances, turning to look at Bill, or else rub their own eyes, shake their heads.

It seemed to me from reading this that the song was suppose to help accelerate their grief maybe - make them feel better ...
But what is more - it seems like it placed them into a trance - a period of time expired that none of them seemed exempt from ...

Could there have been more to that lament than we first think?

[Sirius Potter Fan]

It is odd that the song put them into a trance like state. The Phoenix song had never done that before that we know of.

Was it on purpose?. . . if so, just what may have happened while they were in the trance? Was an alive Dumbldeore running around tieing up loose ends before he dissappeared? Or, could that feeling of having been in a trance be some what of an after effect of a time turner having been used by someone that affected or changed something in the situation they were in?

[Piper]

Goblet of Fire page 694 US (The Parting of The Ways)

(This is where Harry sits down to tell Dumbledore what all happened in the Graveyard wtih Voldermort)

There was a soft rush of wings. Fawkes the phoenix had left his perch, flown across the office, and landed on Harry's knee.

(Next Page)

The Phoenix let out one soft, quavering note. It shivered in the air, and Harry felt as though a drop of hot liquid had slipped down his throat into his stomach, warming him, and strengthening him.

Here, we see not just the phoenix tears at work, but the phoenix song as well.

I kind of always had it in the back of my mind that the phoenix was helping Dumbledore himself here, healing him somehow.

[chrisp]

Ah yes the Phoenix! Have we seen the last of it (him/her). Who will give HP the Sword in time of need. I do not want to beleive that it is gone-never forgotten Sigh

[Alz]

Goblet of Fire page 694 US (The Parting of The Ways)

(This is where Harry sits down to tell Dumbledore what all happened in the Graveyard wtih Voldermort)

There was a soft rush of wings. Fawkes the phoenix had left his perch, flown across the office, and landed on Harry's knee.

(Next Page)

The Phoenix let out one soft, quavering note. It shivered in the air, and Harry felt as though a drop of hot liquid had slipped down his throat into his stomach, warming him, and strengthening him.

Here, we see not just the phoenix tears at work, but the phoenix song as well.

I kind of always had it in the back of my mind that the phoenix was helping Dumbledore himself here, healing him somehow.

I suppose this is another side to the question - was it in fact helping Dumbledore.
Afterall the tears of the Phoenix cured Harry from the basilisk venom - perhaps it can revive someone from AK?
That is a long shot but not impossible!

I wonder if Fawkes was just soothing those that were feeling the loss of Dumbledore why they all seemed to experience almost lost time - like they were stopped for a period of time ...
It gave the impression from me reading that everyone just seemed to stop - almost like a snap shot of time.
I wondered given what we have seen of time in Potter if that was also relevant?

[alohabear]

I suppose this is another side to the question - was it in fact helping Dumbledore.
Afterall the tears of the Phoenix cured Harry from the basilisk venom - perhaps it can revive someone from AK?
That is a long shot but not impossible!

I wonder if Fawkes was just soothing those that were feeling the loss of Dumbledore why they all seemed to experience almost lost time - like they were stopped for a period of time ...
It gave the impression from me reading that everyone just seemed to stop - almost like a snap shot of time.
I wondered given what we have seen of time in Potter if that was also relevant?
I'm hoping like you...the tears do heal and Fawkes did sing and cry a longtime

[Sirius Potter Fan]

I wondered given what we have seen of time in Potter if that was also relevant?

Well, didn't I say that in my post?


could that feeling of having been in a trance be some what of an after effect of a time turner having been used by someone that affected or changed something in the situation they were in?

ON further thought however, I don't know if that would hold, because we didn't see any "side effects" when Harry and Hermionie changed things with the time turner in PoA. No one at all seemed to have any feeling that anytlhing out of the ordinary had happened. I'm wondering now if perhaps it might have been some sort of hypnotic trance, and if so, just what might have been planted during that trance?

[Alz]

Well - in PoA Ron didnt feel like anything had happened when Hermione and Harry time-turned - well apart from them leaving the ward and then suddenly coming in via the door.
You have to remember when you change time - the only people that ever remember the intial timeframe would be the persons doing it - for everyone else the wrong would be righted and they wouldnt have seen it any other way.
Umm - did I explain myself right there?

Basically if something was changed - something that saw the AK curse not being perfomed the whole future would have changed and the people not time turning would have no idea.
Thus we have to conclude that Dumbledore did get hit with what looked like AK and did dissapear over the tower to the floor - but what you dont know is - was Dumbledore made aware this was going to happen and thus takes steps - but still allows the events to play out so no-one actually knew he had actually been prevented from dying ... and I think I am just making this more confusing!