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George
17-11-2005, 17:08
Righty. I have wrestled with myself to come back and make a new post about something that has been haunting me. Okay, I'm rusty on the writing. Forgive the lack of brilliance in this relatively dull thread.
We know the whole of Harry's story. Except for the 24 hours after the Dark Lord was killed. I have explored every nook and cranny of Harry's existence. But those 24 hours elude me. Okay, so Hagrid takes him and, a day and night later, lo and behold, he is brought before Dumbledore to live with the Dursleys. Nope, wrong answer, sorry. There has been much speculation as to where Harry went and how that shaped his future and/or affected him. Well, I have an unconventional view. It could be that, despite how convinced everyone else is to the contrary, the Avada Kedavra left no mark whatsoever. It was, instead that the scar was added either in those 24 hours AFTER the attack, or in the final seconds before it. Suppose that, Lily performed that misty charm on Harry, giving him the scar that connected him to the Dark Lord (also in the house, on a different level). In myths, Sharing Life is the total bondage of two souls and their strength amongst a variety of individuals. Suppose Lily put Voldemort, herself and Harry and split their cumulative life into three, giving her share up for Harry after she died. That would mean 1/7th of Voldemort, plus a third, then another third of Harry, plus a third of Lily. That would mean a little more than a whole life by no more and no less than 1/24ths of the life Harry had to begin with. So, the Avada Kedavra took away a whole life, minus one twenty fourth. So Harry survived. And Voldemort had his Horcrux. Lily and James die, but Lily transfers her lost life into Harry. It's like some plants that create a bulb under the ground to ensure that the species lives on to summer, and the "family" goes on. If the same principle is applied to Lily, then Harry's survival can be explained. But, Harry's scar comes not as a result of the Avada Kedavra, but as a result of the connection forged, yes, between him and the Dark Lord (as we already know it is) AND TO HIS MOTHER!!! We never know his mom did not bear a scar. We do not know the Dark Lord was intact, either. That is that as far as the scar takes us. It is also, mark my nimble words, a theory hereby stated as to the reason of Harry's survival.
Now, as for those 24 hours, what exactly did Hagrid do with Harry? We know that he hangs around all sorts of people. So, where could Harry have been:
1) My #1: The Hog's Head. Hence, the bartender (who is also Dumbledore's brother), was slightly familiar to Harry. Not only was it the similarity between the man and his more refined brother, it was also the fact that Harry had seen him before OotP, albeit fourteen years previously.
2) Hagrid's Hut: so, he may have been to Hogwarts, and subject to a certain number of extra magical spells to keep Harry safe. After all, the gamekeeper could have taken him to Dumbledore himself, and then arranged a meeting at Privet Drive.
3) Here's a bit of a cracker: Gringotts. The safest place to keep anything in the world- except Hogwarts. Hagrid would obviously have wanted to keep Harry out of harm's way. Gringotts = IDEAL!!! He may have been kept behind those dragons that are said to guard the Wizard's bank.
4) Any other place in the world. For all we know, Harry could've been anywhere, done anything and been affected in any way. He may well have gone to a Depeche Mode concert for all we know. But, where he went has to be, nevertheless important, as it could be the whole key to anything- the link between him and Dumbledore, the Dark Lord, Hagrid, whatever.
Any ideas, my fellow Potterists (sounds better than Octoberists by a lot)...
George ;)

gumshoe
17-11-2005, 20:36
This is very interesting indeed, George, no disclaimers necessary as far as I see it.

First, the concrete stuff.
My husband thinks Hagrid took him to a bar, just like you said with #1. The reason is -- and I think I agree -- is that the whole Wizarding world knows the story by the time McGonagall is sitting outside the Dursleys the next morning. It would be so Hagrid to drag him around to a bar for "accidental" show and tell.

Now, tell me where you've read about life-sharing. I've never heard of any of these myths, but I'm not exactly well-read either. Is there a book or a link you can suggest or can you explain that bit further in a subsequent post? And I'm not following the math, and I want to understand your point.

I am definitely convinced that Lily did something (there was the old thread about that and some new discussion about it wondering if Slughorn taught her something) -- I am open-minded enough myself to consider the scar having another origin, but I'm stumped thinking that Dumbledore wouldn't know it wasn't the AK (or he did and didn't say?). Still, if we've any doubt that this wasn't from the AK, we might simply take a peek at any of the AK's in the series and see that it never leaves a mark. I think it's highly probable that if Lily thought her son's life was in danger, she'd do something to prevent his death, before the situation arose where he could get killed.

Let's hear more.
gumshoe

DumbledoreLives
18-11-2005, 00:39
Hi~
Hey, wow, that was a whole lot of math and a well thought out theory about the 24 hours after Voldy was reduced to evil vapors.
Concerning the origin of the scar, in the final chapters of OotP, Dumbledore explains that the act of unconditional love by Lily is what saved Harry. But I like what you've said about the scar connecting all three of them. Maybe her love and sacrifice, coupled with Harry's own feelings is the real reason Voldermort still can't touch, or fully possess Harry - because two hearts are better than, um, parts of one? It's like this love continues to repel Voldy's evil and may be the key to his undoing.

As for the 24 hours before Harry ended up on the Dursley's doorstep, although it doesn't say where Godric's Hollow is in relation to Hogwarts and his hut, I'm betting Hagrid would have taken Harry back there for safe keeping. He never would pass up an opportunity to mother a baby - no matter what species. He probably stopped off at the Leaky Couldron, Hogs Head and/or Madame Rosemertas before trekking to the Dursley's, have a tankard of mead and regale the story of the boy who lived. Somewhere in there, he managed to spend time with Sirius Black - thus getting his mode of transportation - Sirius' flying motorcycle.

Alz
19-12-2005, 11:51
I'm sure it was written somewhere that Harry was taken to a safe location while Dumbledore setup Harry's future living arrangements.
It is also widely believed that Dumbledore also put in place the first part of the charm that would keep Harry safe at the Dursley's before sealing it the night he dropped him off.
I think the reason Hagrid had Harry was to take him from the wreckage of the Potter house - deliver him to the safe house - and then later take him to Privet Drive as he would have been less of a target than Dumbledore - plus Dumbledore was still setting things up for their arrival.

Another thing I wasnt sure on - whatever Lily did - she would have no idea it would save Harry - JKR said this ...
And I suppose my last point on this - if it was possible to transplant soul without killing - why have Horcruxes - you could just do as Lily and mix your soul up with others ...?

Jimenem
21-12-2005, 11:23
Oh yeah, you must have commited murder to split your soul. But it was a character who gave us this information. . . some characters have been known to make mistakes. Fallcies do exist.
It's been stated that Lilly was a good potions worker. . . and her wand was excellent for charms. Could she have invented a way??
How are charms and spells invented?

Alz
21-12-2005, 12:28
Good points!
On your last point - I am sure we have a thread somewhere that talks about creating spells and charms - will have a look for ya!