Two side Mirror

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Well I think that we have a good reason to talk about it... JKRowling wouldn't give it to Harry Only to say he could have avoided Sirius' death... I think there's much more.... it can be either a way to contact Sirius, a key to other mysteries or something that can help with the horcruxes...
It is said that mirrors are strongly connected to the souls so It could be a way of destroying the horcruxes without being hurt as it happened to Dumbledore, maybe placing the Horcruxes between the two mirrors... or it could be a way to stuck Voldemort and Destroying him... cuz his soul has been too ripped...sorry about my mad theories... :mad:

[SnarkologyMajor]

Hey-I like this mad theory Ana:D Of course JKR is going to use that mirror in Book 7,she said on her FAQ poll question,"Why did Harry have to forget that mirror"-that she can't answer fully since it relates to 6 and 7 (Book 6 eh?) and that the mirror will not help as much as you think, yet it will help Harry more than you think. Since most of Book 6 seemed to be about bringing Harry to R.A.B., my guess is that the mirror won't help Harry communicate w/Sirius but Regulus(since everyone knows I think he's R.A.B.:D ) However I like the notion of the mirror being used against Voldemort in some way and I do feel that mirrors in the series are more than just mirrors...I wonder if there is a way to trap Voldemort in a mirror?Just a thought.

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Well that was kind of the thing I thought trap Voldemor in a mirror....and also destroing the horcruxes with them... It is also said that breaking a mirror brings bad luck for 7 years...
As for Regulus... I believe he's dead so... well I think mirrors won't be useful to comunicate with Him. Though it's a good theory!

[Alz]

I think JKR was hinting that it wouldnt have helped with Sirius but it will help with something else ...
Given that it was Sirius that gave it to him - it is plausible that it could mean Regulus had one - and also of course it could have been something used by the Marauders so James, Sirius, Lupin and Pettigrew could all have had one or used them in the past.
I trust many people are seeing these mirrors as a way of speaking to the other side?
Interesting - I would have thought it was a way of speaking to someone else who is alive and has a mirror ..

[Blanche A. McFusty]

Well, in the Ootp Harry reasons that he cannot use the mirror to speak with Sirius because he probably didn't have it with him. It's interesting to wonder whether or not he actually could have communicated with Sirius wherever he is now, but I agree that it is a tool that Harry will be using to communicate with someone who is really still alive. R.A.B.'s note said that he would be long dead by the time that the Dark Lord read what he had written, so I don't think he's alive and I don't think Harry will be communicating with him either. Sirius was at Grimmauld Place before he was killed at the MoM. If Harry was right in his supposition, then the other mirror is probably still there and Harry will be able to use it in Book 7 on his Horcrux missions.

The parallels in time repeating in the series brings me to the conclusion that Harry will use the mirrors to communicate with his current friends just like Sirius and James used the mirrors. Since it produces a visual image as part of the communication I have a feeling that Harry will see awful events transpire in the mirror because on of his friends is using the other.

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Well These theories are good... I mean he could contact the order whenever he needs help.. or Ron and Hermione... but I don't know why... I just Still believe that Sirius is still alive and that will be a way of communicating with Sirius...
There is also the possibility that he really is dead.
I mean ...as far as I understood the books... the Veil was standing between the Living and dead people...
Sirius said he would carry the mirror with him all the time...
As he disappeared and passed that with his body, wand ...clothes everything...
well I mean...
Remember When J.K.Rowling said we would learn on book 7 why some people turn into ghosts and other don't... well I think It's through the mirror and Sirius we'll know it...
Because otherwise there wasn't any wizard, not even the ghosts knowing what's beyond... so I think it might be the solution... Just another of my mad theories ...;)

[Alz]

Well, if Harry doesnt go back to Hogwarts and there is a new school year - I think Hermione and Ron will still return - so with the mirror Harry can keep in touch with his most trusted and helpful friends but still make some journey's alone - that fits in with it wouldnt have helped with Sirius yet will help more than we can figure ... a secure, always on connection to a source of help and assistance as he battles his way through his tasks?

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Well It could be but there are so many legends about mirrors and they have so many properties that I have the temptation of believing that it will be much more into that mirrors than we actually think:D

[Alz]

There is more to the mirrors than what we know - but I think the clue is in JKR's words on the subject - here goes


Why did Harry have to forget the mirror he had been given by Sirius in 'Order of the Phoenix'?

I can’t give a full answer to this, because it is relevant to books six and seven. However, the short answer is that Harry was determined never to use the mirror, as is clearly stated in chapter 24: ‘he knew he would never use whatever it was’. For once in Harry’s life, he does not succumb to curiosity, he hides the mirror and the temptation away from himself, and then, when it might have been useful, he has forgotten it.

The mirror might not have helped as much as you think, but on the other hand, will help more than you think. You’ll have to read the final books to understand that!


This screams it wouldn't have helped with Sirius but will certainly help Harry going forward ... what is a bit confusing is she says it is relevant to Book 6 and 7 ... perhaps a missed clue somewhere?

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Well I think that Sirius might still have it, he sais he would never get apart from it. However from JkRowling anything can be expected...even puting the mirror in the Hands of Malfoy...hope she surprises us;)

[Alz]

I'm not convinced Sirius hit the veil with the mirror on his person - I mean I am sure he had a wand etc - but why take the mirror?
And beyond that - could or would it actually work now?
I think that is hard to speculate as we still dont have a great deal of data of what it beyond the veil - although we can be pretty sure that Sirius is now dead wherever he is ... or at least never coming back.

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Yeah but I belive in Sirius word.. until the day he died we have never heard of him lying.. and he always tried to keep his promises so I believe he kept a mirror with him. I also remember JK Rowling stating that we would know in the last book why some people become ghosts and others don't ... maybe the mirror is the conection path between the dead and the living people...
and people says that mirrors reflect the souls...It could be...a way...

[Alz]

JKR has answered that question a bit already - the reason people become ghosts is because they don't want to pass over to the other side - I think Sir Nick gave Harry some info on that end of OoTP ...
I think the reason Sir Nick is still a ghost was because he never really lost his head and that aggrieved him - it wasn't a single chop with an axe (thing was blunt!) and as such drew out his death ...
Myrtle was snatched from life by the basilisk - I think she felt cheated, coming out from the toilet and then suddenly - dead!

I'm sure we will see Sirius in some form or another - but I just feel given what JKR said about the mirrors post OoTP that there is a significance to them - but not for Harry and Sirius ...

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Yeah but still how will she explain the rest... the part the not even Nick was able to explain...? unless Harry manages a way to go behind the veil and coming back alive:p

[Alz]

Those two ways mirrors would be a great way to 'real time' communicate with people who arent their with you - as in if Harry decides to go it alone with the Horcrux hunts he can take a direct link back to Hermione, Ron and co.
Of course, it could also help him speak to someone on the other side - but I am not sure if Sirius would have had it with him as he hit that veil ...
I'm not dismissing what you are saying because it is still plausible - I am just trying to figure out JKR's cryptic response to the question about the mirrors!

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Yeah probably... but there's still another problem... how will they get back the 2nd mirror?... I think they can't call it just lik harry did with his broom it would be really unlikely to succeed...and mainly... it would be dangerous...
If it was left in 12 Grimauld Place the problem is solved... otherwise... I dunno...
but also Harry's Elf could have taken it from Sirius... you see... what if Kreacher gave it to Bellatrix? it would be interesting...

[Alz]

Once again we are back to if Sirius took the mirror into the veil or not ... if not it would be at Grimmauld Place and possibly discoverable by Harry?
But then again - if he did go through the veil with the mirror - might lend your thoughts some more weight!

[Sirius Potter Fan]

First, we have gone over this in some other thread in here somewhere . . . but, Harry tried to use the mirror to contact Sirius when he found it after Sirius went through the veil, and it didn't work, so either it won't work between the "dementions, or Sirius didn't have it with him. That we can't know until the last book comes out . . .


This screams it wouldn't have helped with Sirius (http://www.thefinalhorcrux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3255#) but will certainly help Harry (http://www.thefinalhorcrux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3255#) going forward ... what is a bit confusing is she says it is relevant to Book 6 and 7 ... perhaps a missed clue somewhere?
See, this has me puzzled as well . . . We were told we would hear from Sirius again, and I don't believe that the will counts . . . I could be mistaken, but I am quite certain that I am not, but there was absolutely no mention of the mirrors in HBP . . . So why after saying that, would she leave it out?

[Alz]

Well - for me the biggest thing to come out of book 6 that will definitely be a large part in book 7 was Horcruxes ...
I'm not suggesting that the mirror was a horcrux - but what if it helps track or release one?
Of course, that could be a subtle hint towards the Mirror of Erised - once again that got a mention in HBP and does have 'two clawed feet' - seen it suggested it might link to Ravenclaw but considering what it does - doesn't really fit in with the Ravenclaw's traits right ...
So maybe, it will help in the Horcrux hunt?

[kashlie]

i have a theory on the mirrors, but it isn't anything new!

i don't believe Sirius had it on him when he went through the veil, 1) because if he did, and it was a mirror that could contact people even when they are dead (creepy on its own), Sirius would not have left Harry hanging, and 2) in his rush to get to Harry he could simply have left it behind.

I believe now, as Harry knows what it is for, when he finds Sirius' mirror, he will give it to his friends. Poor Hedwig will almost be out of a job though :rolleyes:
I think if Hermione has the other mirror, she will be able to research things for Harry, and communicate information to him without him having to stop his search.
I am in agreement that the mirror will help Harry in the future. He will want to use the mirrors as Sirius intended, as hiding his away only brought about Sirius' death.

[Alz]

It was interesting that JKR wrote and Harry observed that as soon as Sirius gave him the mirror - he knew he would never use it.
JKR even re-iterated this when she raised the subject - but the finality was more in Harry using it to speak to Sirius than the subject of the mirror never being used.
Another observation - Sirius seemed keen that Harry didn't open it in front of Molly - so it means that the use of two way mirrors isn't a mystical, one off thing - seems others have used that method in the past.
Given it seems pretty sure that the mirrors act like a video conferencing service - I think the plausibility that the second mirror will be found and also used in a two way situation will fulfil what JKR was trying to say.

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

The main stuff about mirrors is I don't believe that J.K.Rowling has given one of them to make him feel guilty about Sirius death. In fact I think she doesn't refer to them at all in HBP to make it be a great surprise in the sevent book whathever name it will have.... in fact... as you may remember she hasn't put them by hasard... as well as that misterious locket at Grimmauld Place. Maybe both of them are teh only wheapons Harry Possesses I don't know... but I like the idea.. that a mirror, being a symbolicaly related to soul... well It could destrouy the locket avoiding someone to get hurt while destroying it...

[Alz]

Harry actually tried to call Sirius with the mirror at the end of OoTP - Sirius didnt answer. This seems clear that Sirius didnt have it with him, or just cant use it now.
So this once again makes me wonder if he has the mirror back in Grimmauld Place and Harry will return there early on and will find the mirror - and give it to someone else - my fav is Hermione and Ron.

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Yes.. but still there's kind of a hope feeling about that mirror... even after not having recieved any answer from Harry... also Sirius can be ploting something.....

Pleeaaaaaase tell-me Sirius is alive... lol but I really want him to live...

[Alz]

You and a thousand others don't want to believe he is dead - but his lack of appearance in that mirror when Harry really needed him suggests he doesn't have it ... and as speculated the use of that mirror will become more apparent once Harry finds out where Sirius left it - probably at Grimmauld Place!

[notposs]

I dont know if this is relevent but it is my guess that mirrors can either have someone inside them or like portraits have an imprint of someone.

E.G in PoA the mirror talks to harry when he trys to do his hair (" You're fighting a losing battle there, dear "

[Sirius Potter Fan]

Pleeaaaaaase tell-me Sirius (http://www.thefinalhorcrux.com/forum/showthread.php?p=26778#) is alive... lol but I really want him to live...
Well, You are not alone there . . .:) Although I have given up on hoping that he is "alive" I do believe that we will see him in some form.

[notposs]

I was looking around and found this for any of us who think it was chance that JK chose Sirius to die (if he is dead):

Cookie246122: Why did you kill Sirius? It made me very sad
JK Rowling replies -> I'm really, really sorry. I didn't want to do it, but there was a reason. If you think you can forgive me, keep reading, you'll find out. [I feel really guilty now].

[Alz]

I can take a stab at that one - the same reason Dumbledore died in HBP ...
Harry has to go into this last stage of the series on his own - if Sirius or Dumbledore was around, they would protect Harry and not allow destiny to happen ..
I think that is the reason he had to die ...
BUT - and as always a but - I do think there is more - this is based on JKR making such efforts to get Sirius into the books - I mean book 3 was pretty much Harry and Sirius book ... there has to be a reason she let him go like that!

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

You may be right . But still there's much more into the mirrors than showed on Bookks 5 and 6, in fact she managed to get our atention away from he mirrors... I don't believe that she made them just to say " If Harry tried to think before acting Sirius would be alive" .... it just doesn't make sence like it is... this way it may look like Harry is guilty for Sirius Death.

[littlehobit24]

I just had a sudden thought. Neval has been apearing more in each book. What if Harry finds a way tho help Nevils parents with the mirrow. Like some of you said there is the ledgond that mirrows can capture a soul. Some believe it is a way into the soul. What if the mirrow is used to reach the deepest part of the Longbotoms soul so that they can find a way back to Nevil like a key unlocking the caged soul. Just a hopeful thought for pour Nevil

[Ana C.B.Rodrigues]

Quite possible. It is a very good Idea indeed, but I don't know . Their soul hasn't disppeared it just seems to be confused it could be a way to make people Dementors attacked back to their bodies or destroy dementors, but I guess that it won't Help Neville's parents... I guess they just need to focus themselves, cause their mind is confused. Still their soul is in their bodies ... dunno... it's just too confusing :S

[Glumbumble]

Although the word mirror appears many times in HBP there seems no direct relevance to the two way mirror. My guess is that its significance in HBP was that it was a method of communication in and out of the castle that was not being monitored. DD says to Malfoy "tell me, how have you been communicating with Rosmerta? I thought we had all methods of communication in and out of the school monitored." in relation to the enchanted coins Malfoy used to communicate with Madam Rosmerta. Had Harry, DD or other member of the order realised that communication between Harry and Sirius was possible they may have realised that the castle was not as secure as they thought.
Of the mirror Sirius said in the note, “This is a two-way mirror, I've got the other one of the pair. If you need to speak to me, just say my name into it; you'll appear in my mirror and I'll be able to talk in yours. James and I used to use them when we were in separate detentions.” which suggests that each mirror would only work with the other and that perhaps Remus and Wormtail did not have one.
Since “Harry remained quite still for a moment, then hurled the mirror back into the trunk where it shattered.” I am not sure whether it is likely to of a great deal of use in Book 7 other than in terms of knowing that it would be possible to create communicating mirrors. It may be that Hermione will adapt the idea as she did with the Death Eater brands when she used galleons to communicate with DA members.

[Lovegood54]

ok, i was just re-reading the part in OoTP when Harry finds the two-way mirror sirius had given him, and i noticed that Harry said "Sirius" and then "Sirius Black" and i wondered: What would have happened if he had said: "Padfoot"! after all, thats what James called Sirius in school, and Sirius's note said that they used the mirrors in school when they were in seperate detentions! i just wonder what your thoughts are on what would happen if harry said Padfoot instead of Sirius.

[keeron_man_boy]

YES! that is great haha ive never thought about that

but i find it hard see sirius carrying a mirror in his belt while going off to fight the deatheaters..

also didnt harry smashed the mirror? would a repair charm fix it?

[Lovegood54]

oh, i was just wondering what would have happened if he had thought to say Padfoot. something intersting i think. and a repairing charm might work, and if not, then hermione could probably fix it.

[Alz]

Well just to add a little - I think Sirius taking the mirror into the veil would be a stretch - and then being able to use it - even moreso - and that is before Harry even tries to get his working.

JKR made some interesting comments on the mirror but for stories sake, i'm not sure he is ever to use it because JKR made a point of saying when he got it, he would never use it.
Activation of the mirror may be an amusing divertion but, and I think discussed elsewhere, what is that mirror still so useful?

I merged this into a thread that seems to discuss the whole two way mirrors - cheers!