talking about staying together against volde

[kausarqadir]

At the end of the book, dumble dore made his speech about staying together and increasing strengths with trust...........
What about the students from Krum's and Delacour's schools?
Are they joining in? what about Krum and Delacour?
we only heard their names and recent news in one to two sentences in OoTP.
will they be mentioned in the future????

[Boing]

I think it possible that they would come back in some fashion in the next couple books. Especially as they weren't just discarded at the end of GoF - at least Krum has been mentioned a few times, so I think that JKR might be keeping his memory alive in order to bring him back in some capacity.

As for the speech, I always took it as Dumbledore telling them that Voldemort is very good at dividing people and causing discord. I think he was specifically worried about the students in Hogwarts (maybe because Hogwarts has already played host to Voldemort a couple of times). Also, he is trying to prepare them for the war he knows is coming - if they do not stand together, they will surely not survive. They cannot fight amongst themselves or they'll never get anything done.

I believe that wizards from other locations will certainly join in the fight against Voldemort - whether or not the actual students from other schools do is something I'm not convinced of. Unless he poses a specific threat to their school.

[Tinkerbell]

I agree that it is part of JKR's master plan to bring back students from overseas schools in the fight against Voldemort. I think this could be her way of saying that regardless of your background, unite against evil!!

Think that Krum may be bought back in Book 7 to provide a catalyst for the Ron/Hermione thing - something needs to spur young Weasley into action!!

[Kingsley]

Another thing to remember is why he gave the speech in the first place--Voldemort returned and Cedric was a casualty

Cedric was a good guy--he was almost impossible to hate--I liked him more in task 2 than Harry
Anyway the students obviously have to realize that if someone like that can be killed that they can be and Krum and Fleur knows that if they touched the trophy instead that it would have happened to them-
I say that alot more people than just the Hufflepuff students, the DA, and Krum join against Voldemort in the end :cool:

[mimbulus mimbletonia]

I always thought it was reinforcing the Sorting Hat's song, where it also reminded the students that the 4 houses must stand together.

Does anyone else think that the final battle will involve Hogwarts, to a degree where all the students will be involved? I get the feeling that the unity of the school will play an important part.

Having said all of that, I do believe that Krum will play a fairly major role in the upcoming books, I started a thread about it a while back. Fleur - I'm not sure about her, whether she will be more than Charlie's girlfriend, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[kausarqadir]

[QUOTE=Boing] I think he was specifically worried about the students in Hogwarts [QUOTE]

yes, boing i agree with that part........ as far as the different houses are concerned, slytherin has a different attitude.
and as for krum, i think he will join the DA at the end, because he is shown as a good guy when he was talking to harry. then may be hermoine is telling him about the things going one........
fluer too, must be getting the hang on the things through charlie, but still, i dont know,if that speech will be taken on the larger scale in their school. they have not mentioned the schools again.
also, not the wizards living at other place........ only they were mentioned at world cup............ (i mean in gof)

[Alz]

The sorting hat made the point at the beginning of OoTP to try and let everyone know that in order to get through Voldemort's re-birth - everyone had to join together against the common enemy ...
This was of course delivered in a little less of a direct way ... whereas Dumbledore was able to be more blatant now that the Magical world knew and accepted that Voldemort was back ...

Because of Voldemort's ability to spread discourse through all the order of many a Wizard - it is only true that everyone must unite to remove the common enemy ...
I think that a battle is coming - everything we have seen tends to suggest it - but Dumbledore was more rallying the students to unite - because he feels there is a possibility that the split in the sides could effect his institution as well

[mimbulus mimbletonia]

OK, but what if there was some sort of protection at Hogwarts, based on the unity of the 4 houses? Something that could make the school more vunerable if they do not stand together.

[Hermione]

fluer too, must be getting the hang on the things through charlie,


We don't know that. All we know is she has no objections to long hair or fain earings. ;) I agree, it could be happening, but we have no proof.

I think Hogwarts is weakened if they don't have the full unity of the students, but Dumbledore will have to accept that some people will not change. I am not saying all of Slytherin is on Voldemort's side, as Sirus was from a dark family but chose the side of the Order, but many of them are. I don't see Malfoy doing a 180 and joining the order.

I agree, we will see the students at another time.

[Sirius-fan-forever]

I think that when dumbledore was talking about uniting he meant specifically students at hogwarts. Ofcourse people outside of hogwarts also have to be united but I agree that Hogwarts has to be at the centre of things. As for Krum, he might make another appearence but for some reason I don't think he'll play a major role but you never know. But between Krum and Fleur, my bets are definitely on Krum having a bigger role. :)

[Alz]

OK, but what if there was some sort of protection at Hogwarts, based on the unity of the 4 houses? Something that could make the school more vunerable if they do not stand together.
Actually I like that ....
Hogwarts was built on the unity of the 4 founders of Hogwarts ...
The strength of Hogwarts was built in the founders - as such if Hogwarts is to remain a safe haven to all that reside in it - then indeed the 'magic bound' that made Hogwarts of the four founders might need to see that unity re-established to continue and maybe increase Hogwarts security going forward and against the new fights, evils and war that is coming ...
Nice point MiM!

[kausarqadir]

But between Krum and Fleur, my bets are definitely on Krum having a bigger role. :)

u know sfs, i like this idea. and i will vote for krum too.
but i do think one thing. y did the hat and dd choose the speech and song in the year when there was the presence of two different schools. its about the whole of the wizarding community.
but slytherin people have never been on the unity part. but may be its because when the ideas are different between two people in family, there can be a row, but for outside world family stands together. may be we will have malfoy as a good guy. (i would love to see.....)

[Alz]

The four founders did just that - the split came later on.
As far as the symbolism of this - well think what it is saying - Four diverse people from different backgrounds got together and created Hogwarts school - sure later on their opinions lead to a split in the houses and Salazar left - but the fact remains as they were all united - they were able to create Hogwarts - so it is possible that all fours houses must join together again to re-affirm the strength of Hogwarts ...

[Brycen05]

Yeah, I think you can take it this way. Remember how evil and bad Snape seems, but he always knew where his loyalties lied. Maybe this is how the Slytherin house will unite with the rest of the school. We only have evidence of a few people in that house being just... evil. There are a lot of other people in the Slytherin house, remeber a prerequisite for being in Slytherin is not being evil.

[Alz]

No Slytherin's are just ambitious ...
You have to remeber by all rights Sirius should have been a Slytherin - and then we have a Gryffindor that turned evil - so to say that all Slytherin's are evil is a little too general.
I think the quote from Hagrid was 'there isnt a bad wizard around that didnt come from Slytherin' or something similar - it just means they produced bad wizards and witches - not that they are all evil.
I think the skills of the Slytherin's - their ambition could work well for the whole school and as such they are a balance that is needed to be the true strength that Hogwarts was built on - they must all unite to make Hogwarts the sactuary that Dumbledore often talks of.