Breaking in at the Gringotts

[kausarqadir]

i dont know if this has already been discussed here before. but lets see....
there was such a tight security............ and they said, anyone except Goblins tries to break in, will be held there as a prisoner.
then why didnt it happen to Volde or any other person who tried it?
also, afterwards they said, only a powerful dark wizard can do such a thing?
if it was Volde who tried it, then he was not a powerful dark wizard at the time of Break in.....
who else helped him there?

[Sirius Potter Fan]

well, we know Quirrel was in the area, if there were the oportunity to put a charm on a goblin, it probably wasn't all that hard.

[Weasleyfanforever]

I think it is most likely that if Voldemort could control Quirrel, then he might have been able to control a goblin, or even more likely, he had Quirrell put the Imperius curse on a goblin, and that is how they got to the vault...

[Boing]

I guess I assumed that because Voldemort had taken control of Quirrell at that point, that Quirrell had the powers of Voldemort inside him and Voldemort could control him and use his powers through Quirrell's body.

Much in the same way that Quirrell couldn't touch Harry because of the protection from Harry's mother - even though he was Quirrell, he still had Voldemort inside of him . . .

[Hermione]

I like these theories of Voldemort possesing Quirrell and that was how they were able to break in.

But wasn't Quirrell a brillant man before Voldemort took over him? Like he could speak multiple languages and was very learned. So perhaps he transfigured himself into a goblin and got in that way. Or a polyjuice potion into a goblin.

Here is my next bit, Hagrid said Professor Quirrell was never the same after we went out into the field to study Dark Arts. We get the impression that it wasn't just last year but awhile ago, since everyone is used to his stutter. So wouldn't Voldemort have been in there for years. This could have made it much easier to forumlate a plan. Quirrell would have talked to Dumbledore and Voldmort would have been in there, hearing their discussion.

[Sirius Potter Fan]

or even more likely, he had Quirrell put the Imperius curse on a goblin, and that is how they got to the vault...


Yes! that's what I meant! I couldn't think of the name of the curse :mad: I have to go get my book back LOL! :p

[kausarqadir]

Quirrell couldn't touch Harry because of the protection from Harry's mother - even though he was Quirrell, he still had Voldemort inside of him . . .

i have been thinking it to discuss it here since ages, keeps on forgetting it. :D
yes, we see, that Quirrell wasnt able to touch HP which helps Harry in the end. but when i was reading the part when he went to Leaky Couldron then their i noticed that it was mentioned Quirrell shook hands with Harry.
my question is how come he could in Leaky couldron but not in the end?

[kausarqadir]

But wasn't Quirrell a brillant man before Voldemort took over him? Like he could speak multiple languages and was very learned. So perhaps he transfigured himself into a goblin and got in that way. Or a polyjuice potion into a goblin.

Here is my next bit, Hagrid said Professor Quirrell was never the same after we went out into the field to study Dark Arts. We get the impression that it wasn't just last year but awhile ago, since everyone is used to his stutter. So wouldn't Voldemort have been in there for years. This could have made it much easier to forumlate a plan. Quirrell would have talked to Dumbledore and Voldmort would have been in there, hearing their discussion.

may be i am wrong, but i had an impression that Quirrell has submitted himself for this work i.e., sharing his body with his master Volde......
secondly, wewere told that he wasnt powerful enough........ and with the surrender of Quirrell he was able to have his body.........
third where his stuttering is concerned, i think that was too obvious at the end, that he did it on purpose so that noone could doubt on hime.
and i doubt when he was not powerful enough, he could curse any of the Goblins, when we have a very different impression where Goblins are there.
last but not the least, we have a quote... only a very powerful dark wizard can do it.
now i have one more question.....
when goblins were asked that when do they check somebody is stuck in there or not? the goblin replied with a nasty smile once in a thousand year....
then y did they check???
did they have any information of breaking in?

[Alz]

Umm - Ok once again I am seeing no real issues in how this played out? :confused:
We can only assume two paths -
1. Quirrell under possession from Voldemort tried to break Gringotts bank - he failed
2. Quirrell/Voldemort was able to get a Goblin inside to try and do the job

The thing I wonder was what form did the investigation take?
I know that Goblins seem to believe in Goblin info stays in the Goblin world - but I would have thought the someone from the Magical world would have wanted to know what happened.
The fact we never got anything like that in the books occurs to me that there is nothing else of untowards or suspicious going on here - and nothing that will crop up again later in the books!

[Sirius Potter Fan]

I agree Blaise, it had to be one of the two options. I think some want to speculate on just how V could have pulled it off. I think it may be just a nitpick in JKR's usualy thorough plotline.

She made Gringots out to be so secure foolproof. And... are goblins subject to the imperious curse?
How did V know the exact vault? or even that that the stone was at Gringots? Just how much does Hagrid spill when he gets drunk??? (one note, after the first book, Hagrid did seem quite a bit tighter with his info. thinking JKR realised Dumbledore wouldn't be so trusting of someone THAT loose with info)