without passwords???

[kausarqadir]

originally posted from THE SORTING HAT (PS/SS)
'twice Percy led them through doorways hidden behind sliding panels and hanging tapestries'


now has this been discussed later on.... and how come they go with out giving passwords there.

[Boing]

I think the passwords are only for the final doorway to actually get into the common room for each House. In this instance, it is just showing how tricky it is to get from one place to another (with moving stairways and the like). They were just sliding panels and tapestries covering doorways, but I don't think every single tapestry or panel door that is in Hogwarts needs a password to get through . . .

[Kingsley]

yeah not every place needed a password even the places that should--the stone was guarded by Fluffy--the Room of requirement, and kitchen with the house elves all come to my mind when I think about how only the common rooms had passwords

[Hermione]

I think it was more because they wanted to keep people in their own common rooms and not wandering throughout the entire school.

Not every single staircase, door and tapestry needs a password, sometimes just knowing when there is a hidden door there is enough.

[Sirius Potter Fan]

yeah not every place needed a password even the places that should--the stone was guarded by Fluffy--the Room of requirement, and kitchen with the house elves all come to my mind

you know... that is curious that there wasn't a password to get into that door (with fluffy) of all doors in the castle you would have thought that one would have had a password, 1. to help keep the stone safe, and 2. to keep students from accidentaly getting in and getting hurt by fluffy. (like our heros!) but then again, if it had had a real password, they might not have been able to escape Filch that night.

the room of requirement, I suppose would have a password if you wanted it to! :D and if you didn't want it to, it wouldn't! :rolleyes: boy... I wish I had a room or requirement where I could get away from the kids!!!!! :p

[Hermione]

SPF- Don't we all sometimes? ;)

I don't think you would need a password for the third floor coridoor, I think a giant three headed dog pretty much takes care of it.

It's good to have a variety of ways to protect Hogwarts, nothing too mundane.

[kashlie]

you would think though, that i order to protect the students, there would be a password for the door to fluffy. surely a man as great as dumbledore would realise that some students are curious (or careless) and may stumble upon the room? unless of course he already knew that harry, hermione and ron would do that...

[Alz]

It is a thought isn't it Kashlie ;)
You know there are all manner of occasions and also situations that could have been avoided or even prevented if someone thought that little more laterally - and on this occasion in PS/SS - I also question if indeed Dumbledore just wanted Harry to go there - to see how this young person was when facing Voldemort and see what needed to be done.
I am under no illusions Dumbledore was around and close - ready to step in if things went really bad - I just think he felt they needed to meet this first time to see what would happen!

Passwords are only really used to protect things that access needs to be controlled - I am sure there are many dangerous places at Hogwarts but think about having to issue hundreds of password and also remember them!
I think it is more insecure to do that then leave them open - because passwords might be exchanged between others and also it acknowledges there is something to hide ;)

[Boing]

It is sometimes hard to see the difference between something being left out that seems obvious to us - like a password on the door to Fluffy - and something that was done on purpose.

What I mean is, sometimes we see Dumbledore either doing something or not that seems weird to us and like anyone with some common sense would do it another way. But, how much of that is to keep the storyline moving and allow for certain things to happen that need to happen and how much of it is Dumbledore planning and plotting something?

[kausarqadir]

I also question if indeed Dumbledore just wanted Harry to go there - to see how this young person was when facing Voldemort and see what needed to be done.
I am under no illusions Dumbledore was around and close - ready to step in if things went really bad - I just think he felt they needed to meet this first time to see what would happen!

Passwords are only really used to protect things that access needs to be controlled - I am sure there are many dangerous places at Hogwarts but think about having to issue hundreds of password and also remember them!
I think it is more insecure to do that then leave them open - because passwords might be exchanged between others and also it acknowledges there is something to hide ;)

umm, i would now ask few question to this one!
first may be dd wanted HP to go in there, but was it confirmed? i dont think, dd would have known what's going on b/w these kids or in their mind. and i doubt Hagrid to tell him abt it as it was his own mistake they were getting clues.
secondly, anyone else could go in there. and if i am not mistaken then dd has announced it on the very first night of the term that ANYONE WHO WISHES TO DIE A VERY PAINFUL DEATH..... part so may be someone might be curious enough. i wonder y not twins, as they are the sort. what about Neville and his forgetfulness, he could have gone by mistake.
y was it necessary to keep three headed dog. that was too dangerous thing to keep in the school.
last but not the least, Hogwarts was considered the safest place even to consider with Gringotts, then how come these 3 young kids go in all by themselves and crossed till the very end.

[Sirius Potter Fan]

kausarqadir, you have some very true and valid statements, but I believe that Boing has the right of it. In any kind of story telling, you sometimes have to have "mistakes" to allow the story to flow smoothly. A password would have protected all of the students at Hogwarts, but then our heros likely would have never stumbled on their quest.

As far as Hogwarts not "realy" being safer than Gringots since "kids" could make it through, you have to remember, that they made it through because first, someone else had already been through and "sprung" two of the traps, and made the solution to one other trap obvious (the key with the injured wing) after that, it came down to each of the three in turn using their own special talent or knowledge... Ron and Hermionie even if they had noticed the injured key, would not likely have been skilled enough to catch it - Harry and Hermionie alone or even together, could not have won the chess game - Harry could not have figured out the potion that got him past the flames and to the mirror. Since no one was supposed to know the traps set for them (even the teachers weren't supposed to know the traps set by the other teachers i believe) there would be no way for anyone to "make" a team on purpose to fit each trap, I believe that Quirrel got through only because he had V with him.

Sadly, it was Hagrid's slip that even gave Quirrel his start, but notice in all subsequent books, Hagrid gaurds himself alot more on what he "lets slip"

[Alz]

umm, i would now ask few question to this one!
first may be dd wanted HP to go in there, but was it confirmed? i dont think, dd would have known what's going on b/w these kids or in their mind. and i doubt Hagrid to tell him abt it as it was his own mistake they were getting clues.
secondly, anyone else could go in there. and if i am not mistaken then dd has announced it on the very first night of the term that ANYONE WHO WISHES TO DIE A VERY PAINFUL DEATH..... part so may be someone might be curious enough. i wonder y not twins, as they are the sort. what about Neville and his forgetfulness, he could have gone by mistake.
y was it necessary to keep three headed dog. that was too dangerous thing to keep in the school.
last but not the least, Hogwarts was considered the safest place even to consider with Gringotts, then how come these 3 young kids go in all by themselves and crossed till the very end.
Passwords dont work when you have to circulate them in a large group - because password becomes irrelevant!
The more people that know a password the more likely it will become disclosed - and then ineffective.
Also with passwords - once you have made the password - everything is open - even if you never wanted such and such to see it.
If you guard it - like with Fluffy - then there is no real compromise - it is very difficult to compromise a three headed dog - unless you know it's weakness.