What was Fudge's real reason?

[Kingsley]

In book 4 at the end, Fudge had Crouch killed by a dementor immediately
I always thought this was weird because in the 2nd and 3rd books/movies, Fudge didnt appear that way to attack first and question later

Is it possible that Crouch knew something about Fudge or that Fudge just wanted to hide the Voldemort rebirth?
Or was Fudge actually telling the truth about his reasoning for killing Crouch with the dementor's kiss?

[Sir Cadogan]

In book 4 at the end, Fudge had Crouch killed by a dementor immediately.

[...] that Fudge just wanted to hide the Voldemort rebirth?

I don't think Fudge is truthful - I think the reason I quoted is part of his real motives: Fudge wants to avoid the truth on Voldemort being made public; he behaves like a child closing his eyes, covering them with his hands and saying, "There's nothing there, I don't see anything."

One other reason, I suspect, is that Fudge is dramatically incompetent and just plain frightened of things he doesn't understand or of people who might turn out to be more powerful than himself.
He has seen that Crouch managed to fool all of the Hogwarts teachers (including Dumbledore) for almost a whole school year, and he doesn't like the idea that he himself might be tricked (again). So he grasps the first chance where he sees himself in command of the situation, and "eliminates" this "problem".

[Kingsley]

The way Fudge claimed that Sirius would go to Volde in book 3 and then turned around and said Volde cant come back in book 4 just had me wondering about the real Fudge :cool:

Do we know of anyone else that was given the dementor's kiss--not even the death eaters at the end of book 5--the 2nd time they were caught by the way :rolleyes:

[Sirius Potter Fan]

The way Fudge claimed that Sirius would go to Volde in book 3 and then turned around and said Volde cant come back in book 4 just had me wondering about the real Fudge :cool:

Do we know of anyone else that was given the dementor's kiss--not even the death eaters at the end of book 5--the 2nd time they were caught by the way :rolleyes:

wow, some intruguing thoughts :) . I think Fudge is just as sir cad said...incompetent and trying to ignore things so they will go away. Sirius was the only other one Fudge instructed the dementors to "kiss" perhaps it could be that he felt that if they had escaped once they might again... He couldn't instruct the dementors to give the kiss to the escaped and recaptured DE's because the dementors had gone on vacation by then... but...it still bothers me that he had them perform the kiss on Barty so quickly, before DD could talk to him...maybe indeed our Fudgey is hiding something important? but then... if we are geting a new minister, is it going to matter? do we know how Fudge looses the job? maybe he leaves on his own...or does some truth come out?

[Sir Cadogan]

do we know how Fudge looses the job? maybe he leaves on his own...or does some truth come out?

I don't think Fudge is going to resign ... he's much too much in love with his image of himself as an IMPORTANT man who is in command, who has people waiting for his orders.

*Some* truth will come out, I'm sure. But what part? ;)

[Padma Patil]

Ok, the way I read that part in the book, Fudge didn't mean for it to happen, but he wasn't at all sorry about it. The way I read it, he just brought the dementor in for protection even though he didn't really need it.

So what makes you think he had the dementor preform the kiss on purpose?

[Sirius Potter Fan]

Ok, the way I read that part in the book, Fudge didn't mean for it to happen, but he wasn't at all sorry about it. The way I read it, he just brought the dementor in for protection even though he didn't really need it.

So what makes you think he had the dementor preform the kiss on purpose?

could we be considering that Voldemort gave the instruction to the dementors, not wanting any more secrets about him to surface through Barty? perhaps that was even the reason they kept going after Harry in CoS. even though he had not come back to "himself" yet, he still could influence them.

[kaz]

I think the reason Fudge had the dementor perform the kiss was so it would look to others that he took charge and did something right. The suggestions that Dumbledore made to him through out the book were ignored and everything that Fudge was warned of came true so he took matters into his own hands to prove that he was still in control- not thinking of clearing Sirius' name or exploiting Voldemorts intentions, but to ensure that people were reminded that he is in power. I think he is too self absorbed- to power hungry- to be covering something. He is all about making himself look good and Dumbledore look like a nutty old fool!

My first post on a Happy topic! Wee hee! Im excited!

[George]

Nah... I'm pretty sure of this: Fudge is under the Imperius Curse about half the time. What makes me say that? Well- look at the way in which he acts- he is unstable, cannot keep a cool head, and makes bad decisions that, more often than not, end up benefitting Voldemort. I would not be surprised one bit if someone like Malfoy either has Fudge under his control through magic (Imperius Curse), or just offered him a great sum of money. I know that the Order finds it unlikely, but I think they, too, do not keep Fudge under as close a watch as they should. What do you reckon?

[Kingsley]

Fudge didnt seem unstable in book 3--he was like everyone else who thought Black was guilty--
Fudge being corrupted is not a far fetched idea but I dont think it is a curse

[Nagini]

In book 4 at the end, Fudge had Crouch killed by a dementor immediately
I always thought this was weird because in the 2nd and 3rd books/movies, Fudge didnt appear that way to attack first and question later

Is it possible that Crouch knew something about Fudge or that Fudge just wanted to hide the Voldemort rebirth?
Or was Fudge actually telling the truth about his reasoning for killing Crouch with the dementor's kiss?

Okay feeling kinda scared that you and I are on the same wavelength here. ;) I have just read that part too and found Dumbledore's first reaction very interesting. Here is what happens when Dumbledore hears what Fudge did:-

'But he cannot now give testimony, Cornelius,' said Dumbledore. He was staring at Fudge, as though seeing him plainly for the first time. 'He cannot give evidence about why he killed these people.'

I think that Dumbledore has just cottoned on the real Fudge there. I think that Fudge had Barty Crouch killed before he could spill the beans on anything that Fudge has been up to. Whilst I don't think Fudge is a real supporter of Voldemorts, I do think he is dishonest and up to no good.

Fudge seems to have a lot in common with some of Voldemorts followers, namely Lucius Malfoy. The Malfoys are pure bloods and put a lot of emphasis on this, so does Fudge. His treatment of Madam Maxine in the books was pretty low and he suspected her of attacking Krum when Barty Jnr attacked him.

[Fortescue]

Fudge seems to have a lot in common with some of Voldemorts followers, namely Lucius Malfoy. The Malfoys are pure bloods and put a lot of emphasis on this, so does Fudge. His treatment of Madam Maxine in the books was pretty low and he suspected her of attacking Krum when Barty Jnr attacked him.

This is a good point. All through OotP, Fudge, and especially Umbridge go on their Pure-Blood rampage. I don't think Fudge realized that by alienating the Half-Bloods and Muggleborns he was turning most of the Wizarding world against him. The fact that Umbridge made a big deal about how Dumbledore fancied hiring werewolves and giants really bothered me. If I were Dumbledore, I would have left her with the Centaurs :)

I think Fudge is an elitist who loves his cushy job and the respect that comes with it - his refusal to listen to Harry and Dumbledore is Fudge's way of keeping his nice, quiet world from being turned upside down. Hopefully, when he is replaced in the next book it's with someone better, and not worse.

[Alz]

I have to go with SC on this.
He was desperate to keep the re-emergance of Voldemort back into the world close secret.
If Crouch was sent for trial - it would throw up the fact Voldemort was back and real in the most public place possible for the wizarding world.
I think the early erradication of Crouch would have kept details to a minimum and Fudge would have felt he could have kept things more under wraps.
We say in OoTP the upshot of it - Fudge went out of his way to discredit anyone who really thought that Voldemort was back until at then end there was no denying.