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Old 01-08-2007, 12:35   #11
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

With Harry, he was probably selected for Slytherin because of his connection to voldemort.
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:56   #12
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

But what about Pettigrew? We actualy had a thread on here a while back where we discussed how he could have made it into Gryffindor. From the behavior we have seen in him, he seems more like a Slytherin than most of those who are in the house. I was holding out that he would show the courage and loyalty in the end, but he didn't . . . The hand was acting of it's own reasons, Wormtail wasn't in controll, it was his brief hesitation that changed it's victim, and Wormtail couldn't stop it.
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Old 02-08-2007, 09:24   #13
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

Yes she really didn't sort Wormtail out very well in the end and give us a reason why he was sorted into Gryffindor did she?
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Old 02-08-2007, 10:09   #14
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

Maybe wormtail had potential to be brave but instead he chose the easy route. He let the bigger more popular boys do all the work and he hung back and went along for the ride. He seemed a bit lazy to me too.

Like Dumbledore said it's all about choosing what is right over what is easy. Wormtail chose the easy path and look where he landed.
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Old 02-08-2007, 19:47   #15
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

Perhaps we sort too soon could definately apply to Wormtail, he seems to fit Slytherin. Maybe at the time of his sorting he had the potential to be brave and loyal but something happened to him.
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Old 03-08-2007, 06:19   #16
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

I've always had a problem with the simplification - Gryffindor good, Slytherin bad. I prefer it to be Slytherin ambitious, above all, Gryffindor brave, when the back is to the wall.

Wormtail did choose not to kill Harry, for a moment. It wasn't the hand that didn't kill him. I'm not saying he's a great Gryffindorian, but he did tempt the dark lord's wrath so as to not kill Harry.

Was he in the carriage with Sirius and James? If so, he may have befriended them straight off, and asked the hat to follow them. Has he been ambitious, or just wanting strong friends? Acceptance? Maybe the hat thought Gryff would help him.

If we take Slytherin as ambition, not evil, then Percy would fit in well in Slytherin - but he too probably asked for Gryffindor. It wasn't his fault that his first instinct was to be patriotic to his government, rather than siding with his terrorist family.
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Old 04-08-2007, 16:15   #17
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

If Snape would not have been put into Slytherin in his first year, maybe he would not have made friends with the other Slytherin's that Lily told him were bad. If he had had the opportunity to test the waters first before he was labelled as a Slytherin, maybe he could have been a Gryffindor. Snape was very smart. Maybe he would have been in Ravenclaw.

Look at Regulus. He was the youngest son of pure-blood fanatics. Sirius was a rebel to his parent's beliefs from the beginning. Had Regulus had the chance to get more involved in life at Hogwarts before he was thrown into the Slytherin mindset, perhaps he would have found he leaned more toward Griffindor. After all, he had to be very brave to do what he did in the end by taking the locket from the cave. And he surely did not like the life of a Death Eater. Maybe he and Sirius had more in common than just the same parents. If Sirius had known what it was his brother had actually done before he died, Sirius surely would have been proud of him.
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

The way I see it it, everything happened the way it did for a reason. Snape HAD to be in Slytherin. If he hadn't been, chances are he would have married Lily, and been killed in place of James and then the Order of the Phoenix would be out a really goo spy. Snape was definitely cunning and ambitious. Though loyal and brave as well. Snape could fit equally into both, his passion for the dark arts it probbaly what tipped the scale in Slytherin's favor.
Pettigrew on the other hand would not fit into Slytherin either. He's a coward, not very smart. Cunning maybe . . . he did well fooling everyone as scabbers. But really on second thought when first starting out at Hogwatrs he demonstrated bravery beyond anything he ever showed in his adult life. How many people do you know would accompany a werewolf disguised as a rat? He was loyal to his friends, and he must've done things to prove that or else James would not have made him Secret Keeper in the first place. His fear only proved to be a tad stronger than his loyalty once he realized what Voldemort was capable of. His drive to survive was his primary concern. Gryffindor over Slytherin for Peter in my opinion, though I think Hufflepuff may have been the most suitable.
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Old 15-09-2007, 15:47   #19
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

I don't think the comment had anything to do with Wormtail. I think it was an offhand comment made by Dumbledore that he meant as something of a compliment, but came off as an intensely bitter irony that hit Snape like a fist to the stomach. What if Snape had been sorted in to Gryffindor? Would any of this have come to pass? Would Lily have ended up with James, or would her friendship with Snape have evolved into a love affair? If so, Snape would never have heard the prophesy, and thus neither would Voldemort. Harry would never be born, and Neville Longbottom would have been born without notice.

JKR is good at conjuring bits of irony out of thin air---I think that’s all she did here---just interjected an “oh my god you have to be kidding me” moment into the dynamic between Snape and Dumbledore. Dumbledore was certainly not taunting Snape, but the way Snape heard it was, “You know, Severus---I think we made a mistake---you were supposed to be in Gryffindor all along. Oops.” Dumbledore then walked away, leaving Snape standing there “looking stricken”.
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Re: Perhaps we sort too soon........

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Originally Posted by Vold. E. Mort View Post
Well, I think we can safely say that the sorting hat was wrong, 3 times.. 1st time it was wrong was putting Snape into Slytherin. Clearly, he should have been in Griffindor because of his bravery. Sure, he was a dark and loved the wrong things, but he was also brave and a mud-blood.. Slytherin wouldn't have wanted him in his house. 2nd time, was Voldemort. Again, a mud-blood. Shouldn't have been in Slytherin at all, regardless of who's blood he had. 3rd time was when the hat told Harry that it'd never been wrong before.
If you remember Scaboir the snatcher taking Harry to Malfoy he said there are not many mudblood Slytherins you must be lucky.-- Or something to that effect. Anyway, The hat was never wrong. VM did ANYTHING to get what he wanted. That was the qualities of Slytherin. I agree about Snape though and that was what DD was talking about during the Yule Ball about sorting to soon
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