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Old 16-07-2005, 13:35   #1
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R.A.B. (potential Spoilers)

The first time I saw the initials R.A.B. I immediately thought of Regulus Black. We know that he was in Voldemort's circle, but died when he tried to leave (well, was murdered when he tried to leave).

I think it highly possible, and even likely, that the R.A.B. who took the horcrux is Regulus . . . and that perhaps it can be found at number 12 Grimmauld Place . . .

Any other thoughts on this?

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Re: R.A.B. (potential Spoilers)

Boingy, I thought of good old Regulus right away also. And it makes perfect sense, with the initials and Regulus being dead and all...but what would motivate him to do such a thing as take the real Horcrux and replace it with a fake? What could possibly change his mind? The Death Eaters seem to be a group very convinced of their superiority as pure-bloods. Given Regulus' mother and his upbringing...maybe he came to the same conclusion that cousin Andromeda did, that none of that pure-blood stuff mattered really. But that's a big decision to make, and one that he knew he could be killed for, so why the sudden strong conviction?

But what I'd really like to know is, if Regulus really did take the Horcrux from the cave, who helped him? Dumbledore said "one alone could not have done it", so that intrigues me, even if it wasn't Regulus, which I really, really, really think it was.
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Re: R.A.B. (potential Spoilers)

Yeah I too thought about Sirius' younger brother, but then anyone who has talked about Regulus Black hasn't had a high enough opinion of him. He hasn't ever been described as having anything like Sirius' magical talent. I think even Sirius would struggle to have gotten to the horcruxe.

I would like to think it would be him and of course if it was hidden at Grimmauld Place, then even better.

Then I thought perhaps the initials stood for three different people, that R.A.B were three people and not one. Dumbledore would not have managed it alone and he was the most powerful wizard of all time. But I can't think who they would be - any ideas?
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Re: R.A.B. (potential Spoilers)

Interesting thought. The note did say, "I will be dead, etc." It specifically used a singular pronoun, so I am thinking it will just be one person.

What I thought was that perhaps Regulus changed something about the potion in the basin or something to that effect. The way Dumbledore was reacting and saying things like "I was wrong" and that he wouldn't ever do it again, it made me think that he was reliving memories. But I don't think they were his . . .what if the person who took the horcrux put some of Voldemort's memories in there and Dumbledore was forced to relive them as though they were his own?

Regulus might have tried to poison Voldemort so that he would again be reduced to near nothingness . . . just to give someone else time to find the other horcruxes . . .so when Dumbledore was saying that it couldn't have been done by one person alone, I thought he meant that he needed Harry to get the water for him after he drank everything. And that if one person was there alone, they might have just rotted away on the floor or the inferi would have overcome them. But I can see the point that he probably meant that one person also couldn't have forced themselves to continue drinking . . .

So, perhaps Regulus (or whomever . . .) did have an accomplice, but took all the blame . . .

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Re: R.A.B. (potential Spoilers)

In the words of Ron--THAT"S BLOODY BRILLIANT!

Okay, I'm not real good with the subtle and my mind works slowly. But this is a brilliant idea and I totally agree about it being Regulus.

I do think it was only one person--but I htink that Voldy's defences were alterred from their original booby-trapped state to something different, perhaps worse.

Maybe the liquid makes you relive your worst failure? Or loss?
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Re: R.A.B. (potential Spoilers)

Regulus was also the first person that came to my mind. Although I was calling him Reggie.

I have just now thought of Amelia Bones...and perhaps that she had another first name...

But Black, yeah...and changing the traps, that is good...
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**SPOILER** Who is R A B?

Ok, my first thought was that it might be Amelia Bones, that perhaps she just goes by her middle name as many do, but then it just didn't seem to fit. My guess now is Regulus (sp?) Black, Sirius' brother. I don't think we know his middle name though, but it just might work. He had become a DE and tried to leave. Could be that while he was one, he followed Voldemort, or somehow learned what Voldemort had done and where it was hidden? OK. . . if this is right, so far, then could he have hidden it at Grimwaud place? Could they have thrown it out when cleaning in OotP? Could Harry ask Kreature?
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Re: R.A.B. (potential Spoilers)

I think that, if we already know the character, it's Regulus Black. I could be forgetting someone, but that's the only character that I can think of who has the initials R. (A.) B. - and I suppose that, wanting to leave the Death Eaters, he would a) have a reason for wanting to do it (but didn't everyone?) and b) have a way of finding out that the Horcruxes even existed and how to do it.

I'm not sure that it sounds like the sort of thing that Regulus would be clever enough to do - but after all, most of the information that we have of him is from Sirius, who (as his older brother) is probably somewhat biased, in both good ways and bad. There might be a lot about Regulus that we don't yet know.

But I think that the really important question is whether or not whoever removed the Horcrux had time to destroy it - because if it was Regulus, he was definitely killed, as everyone else who defied Voldemort was (so it seems reasonable that if it was someone, that other person might also have been killed) - or if it remains hidden in some place that no one knows of. I thought that HBP did sort of imply that it was a given that the Horcrux had been destroyed - but who knows? It might turn out to be a last big problem for Harry - finding a Horcrux that absolutely no one knows where is.
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Lightbulb The Locket ***SPOILERS***

what slytherins locket is the one found in sirus's house when they were cleaning in OotP....????

the "heavy gold one that wouldnt open" ((il find a quote later))

then it might have been stolen by mundugnus... harry will have to track it down...

but then maybe that could mean that

R.A.B - is a Black family member... the only Black family member i can recall hearing about with the name beginning woth R - is Regalus.. ((wasnt he Sirus's Brother??))

what dya think????
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Re: The Locket ***SPOILERS***

I added this one in here Angel as it has been somewhat covered in here - can look through and then add if you wish

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