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Old 03-01-2006, 12:20   #11
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He had a very strange dream. He was walking through a forest, his Firebolt over his shoulder, following something silvery-white. It was winding its way through the trees ahead, and he could only catch glimpses of it between the leaves. Anxious to catch up with it, he sped up, but as he moved faster, so did his quarry. Harry broke into a run, and ahead he heard hooves gathering speed. Now he was running flat out, and ahead he could hear galloping. Then he turned a corner into a clearing and --
Actually on second reading of that and based on the book and things we learned later - it seems to follow patronus pretty well - as in what JKR said about patronuses being used as a way of communication within the order and also could be the patronus he starts to create in PoA ... just a couple of addon's to that
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Yes, the silvery thing does sound like a patronus. I was particularly noticing the hooves and galloping references. I really believe the Centaurs have been telling us important things if we knew what we were looking for--likes Mars and Saturn. They seemed to come up with practically every casual (nonconfrontational)conversation Harry or Hagrid had with them outside of a classroom (Firenze). Is Firenze telling Harry the prophecy has been misunderstood?

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Umm here is where I struggle once again ...

On one hand we have Dumbledore saying the only people that knew about the prophecy was Dumbledore and Harry ... and JKR says she uses Dumbledore and Hermione to pass on facts ...

Then we have JKR answering a question about why the Longbottoms were attacked ...

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The Lestranges were sent after Neville to kill him.

Answer: No, they weren't. They were very definitely sent after Neville's parents. I can't say too much about this because it touches too closely on the prophecy and how many people knew about it, but the Lestranges were not in on the secret.
Then the suggestion that the centaurs might also be aware ...

Thing is - there is some contradition here me thinks .... worse of all and most delicous is JKR's comments!
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I'm thinking that the Centaurs have read the stars for themselves. Perhaps it's a way to have a second witness to possible future events? It just bugs me that DD was willing to let Firenze be completely ostricized from his group to come and teach at Hogwarts. DD had to have done it because he knew eventually he'd return as Headmaster, and he needed to keep Divination as a subject to protect Trelawney. That was quite a lot to ask of Firenze. And what happens to Trelawney now that DD is "gone"?
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Ohh please don't get me wrong - I was more postulating exactly what was the truth about how many people knew about the prophecy - I think you are right and they may have seen something in the stars - look right back to PS/SS when Firenze is warned not to give details of the future or interfere when the centaurs worked out that the boy he saved was Harry Potter!
It just intrigues me how and why the knowledge of the prophecy would still need to be under wraps by JKR ...
I think it is more than plausible that the centaurs have seen it written in the stars and might have a more accurate finishing to the story than what Dumbledore made of it - lets face it I have seen numerous thoughts on the dissection of the prophecy and what it meant - and JKR did say she/Sybil worded it very carefully!
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Well, a lot of people know there's a prophecy but not what's in it. And, as you suggested, the Centaurs may have read the stars differently than DD has. I think Trelawney is in deep kimshee in Book 7, if LV is still seeking the prophecy. Surely Snape told him who the seer had been when he told LV originally. With DD gone, she's certainly the only one left--besides Harry himself. And McG doesn't like Trelawney. Will McG continue divination? Does she know what Firenze sacrificed to help DD (and Harry)?

And what does JK have in mind that she needed to word the prophecy so carefully about?
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Slight divertion - but do you think Snape ever told Voldemort who made the prediction/prophecy to Dumbledore?
I'm going with a no - and another indicater that Snape is more loyal to Dumbledore ...

Actually I am liking the idea more and more the centaurs are seeing something different in that prophecy/prediction/future happening - there is no denying that the centaurs didnt want what was seen discussed with Harry - I wonder if Harry could get Firenze to fully disclose the details and thoughts of the centaurs.
It is more exciting than it sounds - anything that can make what appears on face value to be a easy to follow prophecy more elaborative must be embraced!
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My feeling is that Snape probably told LV who told the prediction--if he knew who it was. I believe that was before he turned to the right side.

Yes, don't you think Firenze should play a part in this somehow? He was so supportive of Harry in SS/PS and then sacrificed so much to help DD. He's one of those that I think has earned a piece of this pie in some way.
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Well the centaurs have lived a long time - and pretty much self reliant - so they are doing something right. Even when Voldemort was at his height I dont think he ever went into the Forbidden Forest after the centaurs - so I am guessing they are pretty much classed as untouchable.
Given their thoughts and views on stargazing - you have to assume they are seeing something in there that is right ... I wonder if they are known for it?
If so - could be that they become a 'tool' for Voldemort ... I think he is very keen to know what is coming this next time after the last time!
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Could be LV would seek them out--if he can get past his own pure blood biases.
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