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Old 13-01-2005, 13:21   #21
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Re: Destructing Houses

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Interesting theory Atticus - never heard that one before!
Umm - I suppose that takes some breaking down to understand it ...
are you saying the house full of everyone's emotions are what bought the house down?
Because it seems that people's emotions were triggers at different times - James and Lily collectively coupled with Voldemort's - then Voldemort and James - Lily and Harry - Voldemort & Lily - Voldemort and Harry ....
Unless it was a growing energy based on the chain of effects - then it would be hard to narrow only one as being the trigger ...
Thank you very much, and let me amend a bit. I was unsure of which person I would have placed the responsibility on before hand and did not properly edit. Dumb mistake, especially for me.

Let me clarify.

I do not think it was a chain reaction. I am pretty sure it was only one person's emotions. It could have been either of Harry's parents (for them, it could have been intentional) or Harry himself.
If it were Lily or James, more likely Lily, I would think that with her blood protection, she hoped that bringing down the house would kill Voldemort but not Harry. In this instance, her death and the attempted curse on Harry would have had to been very quick. No time for villianous speeches or the like. However, I tend to think it was Harry. It was such a primal reaction to seeing his mother die, he did not have to have any conciousness of it.

In the alternative, though, I am also still a big fan of the rebound theory. Frankly, it could have been a combination of the rebound effect, Harry's emotional response to his mother AND his primal instinct to protect himself.

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Old 13-01-2005, 14:37   #22
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Re: Destructing Houses

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Not calling a judgment here, but isn't that quote food for thought. You guys have at it, but if the AK curse didn't do it, could little ickle baby Harry have done it somehow?

I don't think he meant he literally wouldn't blow up the house, I think he meant he would wreak things. Harry doesn't even know he is a wizard at this point.
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Old 13-01-2005, 14:43   #23
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Re: Destructing Houses

I like the idea of Harry making the house colapse as an instinct to seeing his mother die. He did many other magical things out of emotion at the Dursely's like making his hair grow back, or Dudley's old sweater shrink so it would not fit him or making his teacher's wig turn blue. Feeling a very powerful loss, perhaps he reacted by making the house crumble.
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Old 14-01-2005, 13:38   #24
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Re: Destructing Houses

I think given the details Atticus posted that Lily would have been the most likely trigger ...
I get the feeling that whatever she did with her 'charm' was a catalyst for a sudden chain of effects...
After killing Lily I dont think Voldemort hung around - he turned to attack Harry and cast away ...
I am of the thinking that the essence or even the soul of Lily was still present - maybe fading at the time and it was this that caused the unpredictable effects - and also caused the house to implode ...
Other possiblity is that he didnt even get to cast at Harry and the effects of the blast and Voldemort being removed from the body came from attacking Lily ...
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Re: Destructing Houses

I actually like the idea of Harry's emotions getting the better of him (power he knows not). Even as a one year-old, I think he could be very sad/angry/etc. He would be confused and not know how to express himself except by crying out or just feeling emotion.

As for Lily having some sort of effect, I'm not sure on that one. Not sure how long people's souls hang around and what they could actually do while there - I'm thinking of James here. If he was still hanging around, why didn't he do something when Voldemort was going after Lily and Harry? Or are you saying that Lily was special in this way - that for some reason her soul would have stuck around?
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Re: Destructing Houses

I'm not sure - and doubt anyone else can really answer how emotionally aware we are at 1 years old ... I get to thinking it probably isn't that much ..
I think you can obviously fee pain, hunger etc but to have real raw anger, grief etc - I just don't see it - sorry

We are told that Lily was unique - the best witch of her time ... we also know she was a charms master ... I wonder if she took steps herself once she knew Harry was in the frame for termination?
We know someone can be ripped from their body post AK - and I do wonder what happens to those souls post AK - I just think Lily given her extraordinary powers and grasp of old magic was still able to effect events because of the fear of her child dying?
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We are told that Lily was unique - the best witch of her time ... we also know she was a charms master ...
Granted its a bit OT, but who do we know that has also been referred to in such terms and proven her gift with charms? You know me, I see Hermione everywhere!

Now, to your post, I am perfectly willing to support a theory of Lily as the catalyst. If she put such a powerful charm on Harry that all the curse did was to cut him, it must have been a heckuva rebound when that cursed bounced back. I think it could have brought the house down.

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Re: Destructing Houses

I'm still on board with the idea that it is a backfired spell - a really doozy that, when it backfired, it pretty much destroyed everything . . .

Now, I have posted in another thread that it might be possible that Voldemort had developed a curse which would "steal" death from someone else and he is using whatever it is that he steals to ensure his own immortality. What if he tried to use this curse on Harry and when it backfired, we see that indeed, he was ripped from his body, and everything around was destroyed.

Does anyone else (aside from Blaise ) think it is possible that the curse Voldemort performed was NOT Avada Kedavra?
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Re: Destructing Houses

I'm with you Boing. I'm kinda liking the "death eater curse" but I'm not sure yet. But as I have posted before I also dont think its the AK that he used. If it was then it wouldnt leave a mark, and I'm sure someone in the magical world would be able to tell what it is, I'm thinking DD or someone could tell if it was the AK, but no one has spoken up. But as I said I'm not sure I will have to wait and see - so dont slaughter me for saying that yet lol!
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Does anyone else (aside from Blaise ) think it is possible that the curse Voldemort performed was NOT Avada Kedavra?
I agree with the possibility, but find it suspect that when it came to trying to kill Harry the second time around, AK was used as well. Now I know some of you will counter that Voldy knew better than to use the other one because it would rebound, but I just don't know.

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