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Old 31-07-2006, 20:50   #21
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Re: Slytherin's Locket

if i misunderstood anything said before, please forgive me, but it seems we are all under the impression that the locket horcrux was destroyed some time past. this may be going out on a limb here, but what if it was only recently destroyed? we are never really told what happened to the cursed locket which was givaen to Katie and then taken by Snape. perhaps the fake left behind is this same locket? now assuming this is true, then Regulus could not be R. A. B., because he is now out of the picture.
if this idea seems too stupid, please dont redicule too much, i just thought the idea was worth sharing
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Old 03-08-2006, 14:59   #22
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Re: Slytherin's Locket

the locket was destroyed by R.A.B.
now i know the message says "plans to" destroy it but sometimes we have to assume things in the book. remember dumbledore doesnt know %100 that voldemort made 6 horcruxes we just assume he's right. i think in the final book they wont look for the locket

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No way. It cant be kreacher. R.A.B would have to be barking mad to take kreacher along with him on such a sensitive mission. Regulus was a death eater. But as soon as he found out about what Dark lord was upto, he went against him. Do you really think he would risk kreacher telling all stories about their adventure to bellatrix and rest of the dark lord followers after Regulus was gone???
He was smart enough to know that finding that Horcrux meant that death was near. Dark lord wouldnt spare him. He must be smart enough to do it alone or had help from someone who was not on dark side.......

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if i misunderstood anything said before, please forgive me, but it seems we are all under the impression that the locket horcrux was destroyed some time past. this may be going out on a limb here, but what if it was only recently destroyed? we are never really told what happened to the cursed locket which was givaen to Katie and then taken by Snape. perhaps the fake left behind is this same locket? now assuming this is true, then Regulus could not be R. A. B., because he is now out of the picture.
if this idea seems too stupid, please dont redicule too much, i just thought the idea was worth sharing
Ideas are always good mate. no need to worry about that.
I am sure your thinking is reasonable. But I think it wasnt a locket that cause Katie's injuries. It was a necklace. a cursed one of course. But not a Locket.
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Old 04-08-2006, 11:34   #24
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No way. It cant be kreacher. R.A.B would have to be barking mad to take kreacher along with him on such a sensitive mission. Regulus was a death eater. But as soon as he found out about what Dark lord was upto, he went against him. Do you really think he would risk kreacher telling all stories about their adventure to bellatrix and rest of the dark lord followers after Regulus was gone???
He was smart enough to know that finding that Horcrux meant that death was near. Dark lord wouldnt spare him. He must be smart enough to do it alone or had help from someone who was not on dark side.......



It's true I could see kreacher telling Bellatrix what they had done. But If Regulus is clever enough to get into the cave and make it all the way to the Locket then I believe he was able to convince kreacher what they were doing was for the dark lord. And no one knows that the locket has been switched and taken except HP and the late DD. And if he had help from someone that was not on the darkside why did they not tell DD about it.
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No way. It cant be kreacher. R.A.B would have to be barking mad to take kreacher along with him on such a sensitive mission. Regulus was a death eater. But as soon as he found out about what Dark lord was upto, he went against him. Do you really think he would risk kreacher telling all stories about their adventure to bellatrix and rest of the dark lord followers after Regulus was gone???
He was smart enough to know that finding that Horcrux meant that death was near. Dark lord wouldnt spare him. He must be smart enough to do it alone or had help from someone who was not on dark side.......
We also need to remember - if RAB is Regulus and he did take kreacher - he was also able to give kreacher orders - and telling him he couldnt tell another living person would have done the trick - in fact it might actually explain why Regulus was killed - kreacher passed back that Regulus had become a traitor but couldnt tell them exactly what he had done to be a traitor - Voldemort issued his orders ..
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We also need to remember - if RAB is Regulus and he did take kreacher - he was also able to give kreacher orders - and telling him he couldnt tell another living person would have done the trick - in fact it might actually explain why Regulus was killed - kreacher passed back that Regulus had become a traitor but couldnt tell them exactly what he had done to be a traitor - Voldemort issued his orders ..
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House elves are bound to keep secrets of their masters. TRUE
But in this case the master is dead. Kreacher's master after RAB was Sirius, and then Harry.
If RAB took kreacher with him, Kreacher is free of RAB the moment he died. that means he can tell anyone he wants.

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It's true I could see kreacher telling Bellatrix what they had done. But If Regulus is clever enough to get into the cave and make it all the way to the Locket then I believe he was able to convince kreacher what they were doing was for the dark lord. And no one knows that the locket has been switched and taken except HP and the late DD. And if he had help from someone that was not on the darkside why did they not tell DD about it.
Convincing Kreacher of keeping his mouth shut from dark witches and wizards he worships?
I am sorry. I would like to disagree respectfully.
But your second point makes a good arguement. Why DD didnt know about this. Or maybe someone out there lurking with all these secrets under sleeves, too scared to come out in open.
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Re: Slytherin's Locket

That is true kreacher is a wreched fool and i assume he would tell if he could, but JKR sets it up perfectly in GoF with the House Elf liberation Front with all the house elf rights and what they can and can't do, and how Winky could not even tell the most simple of secrets to Harry even after her master had released her.
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That is true kreacher is a wreched fool and i assume he would tell if he could, but JKR sets it up perfectly in GoF with the House Elf liberation Front with all the house elf rights and what they can and can't do, and how Winky could not even tell the most simple of secrets to Harry even after her master had released her.
Winky was released. TRUE.
But not telling secret of Crouch family was winky's decision by choice, Not because law banned her from doing it.
Harry and others asked her thinking that she was released so she will volunteer all that.
Winky still had a hope that she will go back to crouch family, so she didnt wish to volunteer all the info.
She would not have broken any law.
Dobby was a house elf to Malfoys. Dobby knew what Lucius Malfoy was upto. Dobby came to warn Harry just because Dobby thought that was the right thing to do. Dobby punished himself later for doing it. But Dobby has become a true aly to Harry after he got released. So Dobby is not under any elf law. Same with Winky too. It is just that Winky didnt feel too brave, and didnt share that crucial info with Harry.
I am seriously thinking that a character that we cant even imagine is at work here. More info on RAB will prove this in book 7.
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Re: Slytherin's Locket

I'm reaching, I'll admit it. But the House Elf Liberation Front was a set up for something and we have yet to figure it out, and the testing of Kreacher to see if he belongs to Harry in HBP.I think it has something to do with kreachers position in the next book as to who possesses the locket. From a storytelling point of view it just makes since to me. But your points are exactly correct. No argument here.
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I'm reaching, I'll admit it. But the House Elf Liberation Front was a set up for something and we have yet to figure it out, and the testing of Kreacher to see if he belongs to Harry in HBP.I think it has something to do with kreachers position in the next book as to who possesses the locket. From a storytelling point of view it just makes since to me. But your points are exactly correct. No argument here.
I agree that more info and facts about house elves would serve us better. And your second point is the one I agree with most.
Yes, Kreacher could be holding a crucial information about that locket. But without know that it is a Horcrux. I am sure that Harry will turn to kreacher when he realises who RAB was.
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-Godric Gryffindor the founder of house Gryffindor

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