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Old 18-12-2006, 22:40   #1
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Why a wizard needs transfiguration

What happens to a creature that is transfigured? In The Chamber of Secrets Harry is interrupted while learning to turn two white rabbits to slippers. How necessary is that? When would you more conveniently have two white rabbits rather than a pair of slippers. When does one need to turn one's rat into a drinking goblet?

How is transfiguration used in a practical sense in the wizarding world? For the life of me I cannot think of a single instance. McGonagall turns herself into a cat. Is that transfiguration or an animagus? Dumbledore was professor of transfiguration, so it must be important. Honestly, though, what for?
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Old 19-12-2006, 04:18   #2
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Re: Why a wizard needs transfiguration

WOW, Your answers are everywhere in the books.
When DD fights Voldemort in MoM, his cool use of those figures to come alive and protect him from Avada Kedavra curse is a classic example for importance of transfiguration.
I can go on and on about all these examples, but the question doesnt need to be dragged that far to know that Transfiguration is indeed important to a wizard or a witch.
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Old 19-12-2006, 08:58   #3
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Re: Why a wizard needs transfiguration

If you question transfiguration you should also ask yourself what use the other subjects have. And after that you should ask yourself why in the first place it is useful to learn magic.

And the fransfiguration used to protect the Sorceres Stone was pretty useful.
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Old 20-12-2006, 22:37   #4
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Re: Why a wizard needs transfiguration

Oh, for heaven's sake. I have already questioned the useful application of other magical feats. I think it would be unbelievably cool and practical to use other methods of doing magic. I guess you think that transfiguration is an obviously useful skill. I just don't see that to be all that great in comparison with the other ways to employ magic.
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Re: Why a wizard needs transfiguration

You are saying it all like everything weighs out on comparision.
Sure, if you like to compare stuff, DADA class beats Transfiguration class any day.
And that is why JKR keeps us more into DADA stuff, than transfiguration. But I am sure book 7 will bring more.
As a wizard, one could say hey, I dont like this whole transfiguration thing compared to charms and spells and potions work.
Fair Enough.
But, does that mean that transfiguration is not so useful or powerful as those other characteristics? Heck no..... in fact we have seen more awe, and brilliancy with transfiguration so far than any other stuff in these books. And more are coming........
In fact we are told by JKR that world's greatest wizard Dumbledore was actually the transfiguration teacher during earlier days at Hogwarts.
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Old 21-12-2006, 10:21   #6
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Re: Why a wizard needs transfiguration

Keeping in mind, the examples given were shown in a first year transfiguration class.. You think a 7th year student is still working on rats into goblets? Unlikely.. You learn to spell the word "cat" first, then you work up to "catastrophic"..
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Old 21-12-2006, 15:20   #7
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Re: Why a wizard needs transfiguration

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What happens to a creature that is transfigured? In The Chamber of Secrets Harry is interrupted while learning to turn two white rabbits to slippers. How necessary is that? When would you more conveniently have two white rabbits rather than a pair of slippers. When does one need to turn one's rat into a drinking goblet?

How is transfiguration used in a practical sense in the wizarding world? For the life of me I cannot think of a single instance. McGonagall turns herself into a cat. Is that transfiguration or an animagus? Dumbledore was professor of transfiguration, so it must be important. Honestly, though, what for?
Actually at the risk of enduring the site egg throwing as well - I agree with you ...
I dont see it as that important a skill really ...
In practicle situations - when you really need your magic, what - you are going to spend time turning a lightbulb into a tiger?
I suppose there is a practicle aspect to the magic but it almost seems like cheesy muggle magic to me ...
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Re: Why a wizard needs transfiguration

As a teacher, I have think I have an unique perspecive on this that maybe some have not considered......every day I hear grumbled mumbles and outright shouts from students wondering out loud why they have to learn this thing or that----what use will algebra be? where am I ever going to use this garbage we're learning in physics? why does anyone need to know what happened in 1830? I remember asking the same questions when I was a student---even into graduate school. Now, I often say to myself "Oh---that's why we learned that" or. maybe more often, "I wish I had studied harder". Why do Hogwarts students learn History, Divination, Herbology, Care of Magical Creatures, etc.? Maybe because they'll never know when they'll need to know some of that stuff? Knowledge and wisdom do not always enter the mind at the same time or rate....
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As a teacher, I have think I have an unique perspecive on this that maybe some have not considered......every day I hear grumbled mumbles and outright shouts from students wondering out loud why they have to learn this thing or that----what use will algebra be? where am I ever going to use this garbage we're learning in physics? why does anyone need to know what happened in 1830? I remember asking the same questions when I was a student---even into graduate school. Now, I often say to myself "Oh---that's why we learned that" or. maybe more often, "I wish I had studied harder". Why do Hogwarts students learn History, Divination, Herbology, Care of Magical Creatures, etc.? Maybe because they'll never know when they'll need to know some of that stuff? Knowledge and wisdom do not always enter the mind at the same time or rate....
I agree word to word.
I would also like to throw in this.
Life doesnt have do or die moments every day. Wizards and Witches do live normal life too. In their normal life, transfiguration and Potions are the most used forms of magic.
Yes, I agree that charms and spells do amaze us a lot. Throwing spells around and charming things would really bring magic out on a wizard or a witch. But one should not forget about normal conditions.
Think about doing stuff around in house, work, travel, study, and of course cooking in the kitchen. Transfiguration can be really handy.
And of course, talented wizards like Dumbledore, Voldemort, and Snape who are quick and precise, can use transfiguration in a fight too. You see, nothing is a better weapon, than a weapon of surprise.
I am sure we can dig more into this, but where is the limit?
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As a teacher, I have think I have an unique perspecive on this that maybe some have not considered......every day I hear grumbled mumbles and outright shouts from students wondering out loud why they have to learn this thing or that----what use will algebra be? where am I ever going to use this garbage we're learning in physics? why does anyone need to know what happened in 1830? I remember asking the same questions when I was a student---even into graduate school. Now, I often say to myself "Oh---that's why we learned that" or. maybe more often, "I wish I had studied harder". Why do Hogwarts students learn History, Divination, Herbology, Care of Magical Creatures, etc.? Maybe because they'll never know when they'll need to know some of that stuff? Knowledge and wisdom do not always enter the mind at the same time or rate....
Mr_Bandman, I'm a mechanical designer and I use geometry, algebra, trig and physics every single day of my life. I too asked those silly questions back in the day. Tell your students that even if they don't forsee needing them, life tends to have it's own plans, and they seldom agree with our own.
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