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Old 24-06-2007, 19:39   #11
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Re: The Destruction of the Soul-The biggest Irony

The whole concept of death is a mystery in the Potter world - there is no doubts to this ...
Ask one question - where are the bodies?
- Lily and James dead - no bodies anywhere as of yet
- Sirius disappears behind a veil and dead - no body
- Dumbledore's tomb catches fire and 'something' leaps from the flames
- Cedric is killed - no mention of where he finally rests
- RAB assumed dead

I see an opening or opportunity here - I did write an article on this a while back - http://www.thefinalhorcrux.com/forum...ead.php?t=2304
I guess I question why is death so mysterious in these books?

Interesting theory again Paintball - I guess the irony to me is that death is shrouded in mystery in these books - no such thing as a death and a grave - plenty of deaths but all in weird ways and circumstances.
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Old 25-06-2007, 15:00   #12
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I see an opening or opportunity here - I did write an article on this a while back - http://www.thefinalhorcrux.com/forum...ead.php?t=2304
I guess I question why is death so mysterious in these books?
My opinion on the missing James and Liley bodies is that JKR had pretty much backed herself in a corner on disclosing who found their bodies and what was done with them, because in my opinion she wanted to keep secret the fact that Ministry of Magic first responders to Godric's Hollows found the three bodies that were present , James, Liley, and Voldemort. She had to keep this secret because the news release from the Ministry of Magic was that "Voldemort had lost his powers" not that "Voldemort was dead." If JKR had let us know that the Ministry of Magic had found Voldemort's body at Godric's Hollows, but felt he wasn't dead then it would be apparent that at least the higher ups in the Ministry of Magic knew that Voldemort had created at least 1 horcrux. She really couldn't have anyone discuss James and Liley's bodies without discussing Voldemort's body, so in my opinion she just left the subject alone.

At least that's my take on the subject, but I am probably a minority of one who believes Scrimgeour knows about the Horcruxes.
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Old 04-07-2007, 08:04   #13
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Re: The Destruction of the Soul-The biggest Irony

What I actually like in this is the irony - as explained by you, we are all immortal as our soul lives on one we pass over from mortal life - but the act of horcruxes versus sustaining the soul in fact does the opposit - if all of your horcruxes are exposed and destroyed you in fact have no soul left.
Given Voldemort's blind fear of death - it would be ironic that the one process that looks to 'stack the odd's' of soul preservation in fact exposes it's immortality!
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Old 05-07-2007, 15:40   #14
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You just can't help but wonder what it is in death that Voldemort is so afraid of. Does he not believe in "life after death"? or that the soul continues to exist on a different plane after death? surely he has seen ghosts, and even that should be enough to convince him that this life isn't all that there is . . .

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You just can't help but wonder what it is in death that Voldemort is so afraid of. Does he not believe in "life after death"? or that the soul continues to exist on a different plane after death? surely he has seen ghosts, and even that should be enough to convince him that this life isn't all that there is . . .

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I would suppose that in death there is a loss of individual power---an equalization of sorts---maybe he fears being on the same level as everyone else---being "average"......just a thought....
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Re: The Destruction of the Soul-The biggest Irony

Voldemort holds fast to what he has - in contrast to Harry, who continuously brings about change, brings in the new, lets things die so that things can be reborn.

I've said this before, but that's why Voldemort has a snake for a symbol, and Harry is associated with a pheonix. A snake slips out of its skin, symbolically dying but continuing to live, where a pheonix actually dies, and is reborn rfrom the ashes, renewed.

Alot of the evil in the books is people clinging to the status quo - picture Fudge and his scrambling to maintain his power. This holding on is shown repeatedly to be misguided, wrong, and doomed to be futile, as Harry will bring in the news age whether people like it or not.

A piece of advice I give each of my friends when a relationship falters is 'It only hurts if you hold on'. My instinct is to cling, but I know the truth of this observation, even if I don't want to.

A message of the books, and has been since Flamel, and the Mirror of Erisad, is Let Things Die. Voldemort is the ultimate antithesis of this. It is also why I wont be surprised if Harry dies.
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Voldemort holds fast to what he has - in contrast to Harry, who continuously brings about change, brings in the new, lets things die so that things can be reborn.
I agree - I also like your linking the magical creatures, Voldemort - Snake/Harry - Phoenix.
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A message of the books, and has been since Flamel, and the Mirror of Erisad, is Let Things Die. Voldemort is the ultimate antithesis of this. It is also why I wont be surprised if Harry dies.
Well - there is a time for everything, isn't there? And I daresay there is a difference between Flamel, the wizard who had reached a couple of hundred years, and Harry, who hasn't even finished school.
Still, I have to admit - I won't be surprised either if Harry dies, just because it's such a stereotype fate for a hero. But since I have an entirely unreasonable soft spot for happy endings, I'm still hoping for a Harry alive and well at the end of Book 7 (preferably arm in arm with Ginny). I want them to live happily ever after. (Yes. I suppose Holden Caulfield would call such an ending "phony" or "corny". So what ;-)))
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