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Old 21-02-2006, 14:25   #1
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Question Is RAB Important?

I bounded this one around a bit in the RAB thread but just wanted to address the importance of RAB versus his name.
I figured I would poll it ... Is RAB Important?
You can of course share your thoughts at to why you think he is or isn't ...

Personally, I'm not convinced he was anything more important that being an anagram that needed to be undone ... I still think the real merit in this is the horcrux that was stolen and who aided him do it ... I think they are the important details about RAB ...
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Old 22-02-2006, 06:15   #2
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Re: Is RAB Important?

I voted yes.

I think it would depend on how JK uses this in her final book. If RAB is Regulus Black I think it may be a key in the final book. Being he is Sirius's brother ther may be valuable info somewhere in Grimmauld place that Regulus knew concerning Voldy.
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Old 22-02-2006, 11:23   #3
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Re: Is RAB Important?

Well we know that it would have taken two people to get to the locket, so I think that whoever assisted RAB is going to play a more important role in the next book (Especially if he/she is still alive.) If it is Regulus though, I doubt it would be in Grimmauld place solely for the fact his crazy mother probably wouldn't have let him back in the house after deserting Voldemort (I think she would consider that a pretty cowardly act and another stain on the family name.)
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Old 22-02-2006, 12:21   #4
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Re: Is RAB Important?

I think RAB is very important. Regardless of who he is is (I firmly believe it to be Regulus) the fact that he knew about the horcrux, where to find it, how to get it, and seemingly knew about the prophecy from the wording of the note, all suggest to me that this is one smart wizard! I don't think this is the last we hear of RAB, just the beginning........
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Old 22-02-2006, 13:19   #5
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Re: Is RAB Important?

Interesting comments coming out here ...
Given it would have required 2 people to have done the job ... isnt it more possible that the second person has it .. and also knows about what they were looking for, who it belonged to and more importantly - where the horcrux now is ... and most important of all ... is still alive ... ???
That is my basis for RAB not being that important other than to be a firm link to the second person ...
The exact nature of the second person might still be the more interesting facts ...
Second person sound speculative ... but look at what happened to Dumbledore and Harry ... and Dumbledore said one alone could not have done it ...
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Re: Is RAB Important?

Well, I have't voted yet . . . riding the fence at the moment. There are some good points here. We don't know who was with RAB, but we do indeed know that there certainly must have been someone. Did that someone die or not? that is a big key, but it still doesn't put in cement whether RAB is important or not either. It is most certainly someone with guts and inteligance, and a pretty good dose of reckless abandon . . . in other words someone alot like Sirius . . . And although I feel fairly certain it is indeed Regulus, I still don't think his identity is the key to RAB's importance. If we were to learn the story of how RAB learned of the horcrux, and how he succeded in stealing it (and with whom) I think that is important no matter who either is. I think that the importance is more in whether the back story gives Harry a clue to a weakness of Voldemort's. . .
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Re: Is RAB Important?

I RAB is Regulus Black do you think maybe kreacher asisted him in getting the locket out of the cave?
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Re: Is RAB Important?

Are we absolutely certain RAB had to have help? I had been thinking that the potion which required both Dumbledore and Harry must have been left by RAB because if Voldemort was the one who refilled the potion-he would have most certainly noticed the fake locket. If Regulus is the one who refilled the basin after stealing the horcrux-then we don't know for sure what potion(if any) was originally in the basin. It could be that I'm forgetting something-my mind goes awandering these days.
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Re: Is RAB Important?

No, is an interesting point ... but let's remember Voldemort had to be able to check those hocruxes ... I think there is a way of getting past that potion ... or maybe even an antidote ...
BUT, the potion Voldemort left in there, well it would have been a bad one ... one exactly like Dumbledore had to drink, designed to stop them completing it ... but keeping them alive ...
What I am saying is that if RAB had replaced the liquid with his own potion - I doubt that Voldemort would have drank it (He would have used the plug on the side - stupid Dumbledore was too clever to look for the plug ... ) and not sure RAB would have wanted to stop anyone else looking in there ...
I think that RAB is dead ... I think the person that assisted him is not ... and I am not 100% convinced the person that helped him was a friend in the end ...
I'm thinking of someone who was very close to Voldemort, someone who may have gotten the information or been privy to enough to actually piece it together ... someone who may have framed RAB in the end so that he was killed and the real person with the knowledge of Horcruxes and the locket is still alive ...
Maybe even someone who understood the contents of the bowl ...
Apart from my wild thoughts at the end ... I still feel that in order to piece together that information about Voldemort, Horcruxes, items used and location stored that it would have been a culmination of multiple pieces of information and a smart guy to fit it together ...
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Re: Is RAB Important?

Great thoughts here. Being a No0B, I'm still reading as much as possible before posting so I don't repeat those before me, but if I do forgive me.

When I voted that RAB is important, I was doing so because of what he had done - to discover the existance of horcruxes and go out and retrieve one is phenomenal and takes an exceptionally talented wizard. Just think what Dumbledore had to do to even gain entrance to the cave. Harry stands and watches DD use touch and looking at things Harry can't see. RAB before him must have had to do the same as I don't think the enchantments would have been different. I don't think RAB would have wanted Voldemort to realise anyone had been there until he picked up that locket and read that note....

But am I giving too much credit to RAB? I agree with most others that there had to be at least two of them to retrieve the Horcrux but I am assuming the brains behind the operation was RAB because of the wording of the note - a personal vendetta. But picking up from Alz' point below, what if the note was written by the second person to deflect all attention. RAB is Regulus, already killed, meaning second person gets away?

Now this would only work if Voldemort really believes RAB could have discovered his secret. If RAB is an unimportant DE then, I believe, Voldemort would see through it immediately and focus his attention elsewhere. So, whether RAB wrote the note or the other person, to me, RAB remains important as Voldemort has to believe him capable of discovering his darkest secret.
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