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Old 07-02-2006, 12:48   #11
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Re: One Way Time Turner?

I think there is a few things still knocking around that could be used to control time - that watch of Dumbledore's and the similar one Ron now was makes a good possibility ...
Going back to OoTP and DoM - the egg in the bell jar and the cupboard that crashes to the floor and goes back again - is that a case of past and future time manipulation - or is it a case of present and past?
As in at what point did the cycle occur with the egg in the bell jar - because that would explain quite nicely if past and future is achievable ..
Of course - it is relative and in the past because that jar and bird didnt just appear - so been there a while - in the past ... wow this can get confusing!
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Old 07-02-2006, 17:35   #12
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Re: One Way Time Turner?

Is speeding up time the same as time traveling -- technically speaking? The bell jar seems to be fast forward within it, and the outside of it goes at "regular" time. I am so not a scientist, but my DH would explain about black holes and traveling at the speed of light -- theory of relativity?
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Old 08-02-2006, 12:44   #13
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Re: One Way Time Turner?

Interesting view again ...
See, I can understand what you are saying but isn't that another view on time travel itself?
Time is warped - be it sped up or slowed down ... but is that relative to past, present and future ... I think it is somewhat ..
Things in that room seemed to follow both patterns - the cupboard full of time turners fell and broke - and then returned back to normal - that would suggest cyclic time - an event that is looping ...
The bell jar looked like as you said - an acceleration and reversion of time ... Death Eaters head from Baby to adult ... but in essence isn't that the past and present?
That seems to add more weight to the original argument no - one way time turning - back but not forwards - back to present - but not present to future?
Also make sense in so much the future still isnt written till it become present and past - that is why prediciting it isnt easy!
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Re: One Way Time Turner?

Good point on the DE's head. But, that would imply that the bird was placed into its bell jar at it's adulthood, to keep that theory. I will say that I agree that I just don't see forward as possible -- too many holes for JKR if she allows that.
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Re: One Way Time Turner?

Ohh totally agree - forwards moving would render everything unplausible but also - as said so often - the future can be changed - the past is set in stone ... so even if you could see the future all you would have to do is change one thing and the future would change ... and lets not forget the future you are observing could so easily be not accurate because you havent made a certain change yet - I believe the future changes all the time based on ... CHOICES!
Time is only recorded in one way - what has happened ... which is why it can be changed because you know what happened ... but by changing it you also have to be careful - we have all seen the movies where changing something in the past has knock on effects ...
This was something that was bought up elsewhere - fate - I think in PoA Harry and Hermione may have saved Sirius but all they really did was pospone his death ... it was fate he wouldnt get old and die of natural causes ...
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Re: One Way Time Turner?

here's the link to the thread I had posted A LONG time ago with the same question.
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Re: One Way Time Turner?

Another thread I missed out on somehow!

I think one key to think about in the possibility of future time traveling, is how do you get back. When Hermione made trips back in time, she only went a few hours, and eventualy caught up to her "normal" time. But if you go to the future, time will still continue to move forward leaving you unable to return to your true place in time.

I realy doubt that a time turner could go both ways, or certainly Hermione would have stumbled on to it . . . especialy if it were as simple as turning it the other way. I think they are one way.
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Re: One Way Time Turner?

I think the real element is the fact the past has occurred and stands testimony to the events that shaped it - ergo you tweak the past and cause a different future - now the future can still be shaped on events and circumstances - infinite possibilities that have not even occurred yet - that is why predicting the future is very hard and changing it virtually impossible - the only thing you can do is be aware of that path you are walking and where it leads - but one small change will render the future path obsolete.
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