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Old 25-10-2004, 12:36   #1
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'While is may feel secure enough to use the name ... the rest of us ...' He rubbed his left forearm, apparently unconsciously, on the spot where Harry knew the Dark Mark was burnt into his skin.
My question is, does the mark always burn for the Death Eaters now that Voldemort it back?
Does it hurt more when he is away from the Dark Lord?
Does it hurt because he failed to return that night to the service of the Dark Lord?
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Re: Marks that still haunt

I think he rubbed the mark just as JKR wrote, it was unconscious, the mark forever a reminder of what happened/what he saw/what he knows can happen again.

I think that the mark only burns when they are being called. I don't think it matters how far away you are. It was my understanding that the mark would burn as they were being called, but as it seems Voldemort can control it, I bet he could make it hurt as much as he wanted.
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Old 25-10-2004, 22:48   #3
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Re: Marks that still haunt

Yah, I somewhat agree ...
I think the question I was asking was, say for instance Karkaroff, would he be laid low in real agony at the moment because Voldemort chooses to keep the pain running for those who did not return?
In a roundabout way I was thinking perhaps Snape not being bothered by it suggested that he has been before the Dark Lord since his ressurection and is still alive now ...
This has ramification on so many other Snape questions I have posted ...
In this occasion it was a metal thing - he hears the name Voldemort and something in his mind makes him reach for the biggest reminder ... but I suppose I was thinking in a broader context how could this be used ... there is a great deal in Potter about marks and pain
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Re: Marks that still haunt

Umm, we are only told about the Dark Mark in GoF, and this is only because of Voldemort's re-birth, so it did not burn during the time that he was 'indisposed'. As for whether Voldemort can control the amount of pain suffered, I'm not so sure on this, I think the marks were there purely as a signal to the DE's when it was time to 'gather', and the only reason it the marks were increasing in intensity of pain, etc, during GoF was because of V's impending re-birth.

Saying that, however, I agree with Bla's comment about marks and pain in the Septology - the analogies are not used lightly by Ms Rowling!
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Re: Marks that still haunt

Prior to Voldemorts re-birth - the Dark Marks were becoming more pronounced ... indeed this was signalling the return of Voldemort ...
But isn't it possible that Voldemort could use this mark on Death Eaters that failed to return?
Indeed isn't it likely he could use it to drive them out - short of cutting off their arm he could increase the pain and intensity until they have to surface ... there is no doubts that the Dark Mark can be felt by a Death Eater no matter where they are ...
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Re: Marks that still haunt

I think of it as a skin version of the old batman signal--there is no real way for a death eater to avoid Voldemort's beckoning--I think it is some kind of almost magical tatoo so I am wondering if it is also a homing beacon of sorts--can Karkaroff be traced by his mark is my main question right now
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