Dobby - Questionable?

Alz

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Vold. E. Mort said:
grr, all you Dobby haters! Dobby is Harry's friend and will be his friend at the end of book 7.
Hey - don't get me wrong - once he was finally freed by Harry I think he was then acting under his own steam - and we have seen him become tremendously loyal to Harry - the question seems to surround before that ... and also SM made some great points to that effect ...
I think Dobby in his efforts from the start of CoS might have been under instruction from Malfoy - which then begs the question is perhaps his freedom a 'pre-agreed' price for his full assistance in the efforts?
I know you can argue he is a slave and has to do what he is told - but you get better results with co-operation rather than oppression!
 

SnarkologyMajor

Time Turners
Please forgive if this has been mentioned elsewhere, Dobby's so-called "clue" has baffled me for along time-yet reading CoS post HBP, I think it finally makes sense. And it's not good-

CoS pg.16- "Hang on-this hasn't got anything to do w/Vol-sorry-with You-Know-Who, has it? You could just shake or nod," he added hastily as Dobby's head tilted worryingly close to the wall again.

Slowly, Dobby shook his head.

"Not-not He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, sir-"

But Dobby's eyes were wide and he seemed to be trying to give Harry a hint.
Harry, however, was completely lost.

"He hasn't got a brother, has he?"(He has a horcrux though!)

Dobby shook his head, his eyes wider than ever.

Cos pg. 339- "You told me all this had nothing to do with He Who Must Not Be Named, remember? Well-"

"It was a clue, sir," said Dobby, his eyes widening, as though this was obvious.Was giving you a clue. The Dark Lord, before he changed his name, could be freely named, you see?" (You mean before he started splitting his soul w/horcruxes!)

When I read this now it seems fairly clear that Dobby knows that Tom Riddle is Lord Voldemort-but he also knows about his horcruxes and that the diary is one. According to what we've been told by Dumbledore-Malfoy was unaware of what the diary actually was. Should we be questioning Dobby? Malfoy? or Dumbledore? Haven't drawn any conclusions-what do you guys think?
 

Alz

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Wow - could it be that Dobby was the one that assisted RAB?
I mean, your right - when read in that context it would seem Dobby knew a suprising amount about that diary - I mean would it have been panick stations if all Lucius was planning to do was frame Arthur by planting the diary on Ginny?
No, indeed not - Dobby was really worried about you know who - and he knew it was linked to that diary - so, do some theorising and you can see where that is going!
Excellent again SM - I mean, even if it wasnt Dobby - he still had inroads to other house elf's - namely Kreacher!
Would certainly make a great question to pose to JKR wouldnt it - explain the above and why Dobby was so sure of the risk of Voldemort from a diary!
 

SnarkologyMajor

Time Turners
Yeah-I'm still wrapping my head around the implications of this and you're absolutely right to make the connection to R.A.B. and Kreacher -darn I didn't even think of that:D You know right away it would seem like this would mean that one of the Malfoys knows everything but I'm not sure if that's the case or not, lots to think about:eek:
 

Sirius Potter Fan

Night Patroll
pretty thought provoking for certain! How did Dobby know? can house elves communicate family secrets with each other? Did Dobby perhaps sneak a peak at the diary at some point and put 2 & 2 together? You are right Alz, a plot to smear the Weasley name is certainly no reason to panic, and wouldn't realy effect Harry at all, at least not substantially. So . . . he had to know! Great catch SM! I agree that Lucious didn't know, he would have been much more careful with the diary had he thought it was a horcrux. We don't know how old Dobby is . . . younger than Kreacher, but that doesn't say much with an unknown lifespan, and no known house elf babies known of . . . if Lucious and Narcissa were unaware, could he have learned it from the previous generation? or did he perhaps figure it out from looking in the diary himself . . . he does seem the curious adventurous type.
 

gbogbo

Time Turners
I thought I'd read this thread as a lark with my smug knowlege that Dobbie is, of course, true blue and beyond question...but now I've got to admit to that maybe you've picked up on something.

I've always been a bit bugged by the behavior of the house elf from the statue of magical breathren in the MOM. The wizard defends Harry, the witch attacks Bellarix and the centaur goes for Voldemort. But "Meanwhile, the goblin and the house-elf scutled toward the fireplaces set along the wall." Not much aid there, unless perhaps they were going for help, because a little later on we have "...Harry saw the tinyh gold statues of the house-elf and the goblin leading a stunned-looking Cornelius Fudge forward."

I suppose they might have just been going to find recruits for the fight, but this always struck me as the opposite of how a true house elf would have acted. Then again, maybe this was just the foreshadowing of Kreacher's treachery. Dumbledore comments in the subsequent chapter that "The fountain we destroyed tonight told a lie. We wizards have mistreated and abused our fellows for too long, and we are now reaping our reward."

Hmmm...
 
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keeron_man_boy

Accio Deathly Hallows!!
We don't know how old Dobby is . . . younger than Kreacher, but that doesn't say much with an unknown lifespan

Kreacher has been in the Black family for a min. of 7 generations...

'Kreacher would never move anything from its proper place in Master's house,' said the elf, then muttered very fast, 'Mistress would never forgive Kreacher if the tapestry was thrown out, seven centuries it's been in the family, Kreacher must save it, Kreacher will not let Master and the blood traitors and the brats destroy it -'


hope this heaps :eek:
 

SnarkologyMajor

Time Turners
Hmmm-that statement says that the tapestry was in the family for 7 generations, but that doesn't necessarily mean Kreacher has been. SPF is right, we have no idea how long the lifespan of house-elves are although Kreacher is described as ancient. Thinking about how house-elves are tied to one family for life-I wanted to check if we have anything to suggest that the same holds true for a family of house-elves and I found-

GoF pg. 381-...."I is looking after the Crouches all my life, and my mother is doing it before me, and my grandmother is doing it before her...."

Winky's statement does suggest that generations of house-elves serve the same family. Given that the Blacks and the Malfoys are related to each other, then it is possible that Dobby and Kreacher are also related by blood. In fact their behavior in HBP w/each other seemed like familial rivalry no? They perhaps have the ability to share secrets with each other...
 

Sirius Potter Fan

Night Patroll
I also just remembered that in OotP we saw Kreacher's ancestors heads mounted on plaques on the wall! so there had been a few over the centuries, but still no set idea of just how long they live.

Just for fun here, but . . . do you suppose it possible that Dobby could be Kreacher's son?:eek:
 

SnarkologyMajor

Time Turners
LOL:D Hey even though that tickles, I suppose it could be true-reading through their fist-fight again-they more reminded me of brothers:D I have to add though that I'm still pondering the Narcissa factor in all this, there is a chance she'll end up a white hat and that she's the one who sent Dobby, hmmm...
 

Hoggy Warty Hogwarts

Outside Playing Quidditch
Please forgive if this has been mentioned elsewhere, Dobby's so-called "clue" has baffled me for along time-yet reading CoS post HBP, I think it finally makes sense. And it's not good-

CoS pg.16- "Hang on-this hasn't got anything to do w/Vol-sorry-with You-Know-Who, has it? You could just shake or nod," he added hastily as Dobby's head tilted worryingly close to the wall again.

Slowly, Dobby shook his head.

"Not-not He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, sir-"

But Dobby's eyes were wide and he seemed to be trying to give Harry a hint.
Harry, however, was completely lost.

"He hasn't got a brother, has he?"(He has a horcrux though!)

'Dobby shook his head, his eyes wider than ever.

Cos pg. 339- "You told me all this had nothing to do with He Who Must Not Be Named, remember? Well-"

"It was a clue, sir," said Dobby, his eyes widening, as though this was obvious.Was giving you a clue. The Dark Lord, before he changed his name, could be freely named, you see?" (You mean before he started splitting his soul w/horcruxes!)

When I read this now it seems fairly clear that Dobby knows that Tom Riddle is Lord Voldemort-but he also knows about his horcruxes and that the diary is one. According to what we've been told by Dumbledore-Malfoy was unaware of what the diary actually was. Should we be questioning Dobby? Malfoy? or Dumbledore? Haven't drawn any conclusions-what do you guys think?


Ok reading through this thread and this message in particular made me remember something i read in COS and here it is.
(COS page 17)
'Harry Potter is humble and modest; said Dobby reverently, his orb-like eyes aglow. 'Harry Potter speaks not of his triumph over He Who Must Not Be Named .'
'Voldemort?' said Harry.
Dobby clapped his hands over his bat ears and moaned, 'Ah, speak not the name, sir! Speak not the name!
'Sorry,' said Harry quickly. 'I know lots of people don't like it- my friend Ron...
He stoped again. Thinking about Ron was painful, too.
Dobby leaned towards Harry, his eyes wide as headlamps.
'Dobby heard tell,' he said hoarsely, 'that Harry Potter met the Dark Lord for a second time, just weeks ago... that Harry Potter escaped yet again.'
Harry nodded and Dobby's eyes suddenly shone with tears.

Ok so the point is, thats the second time so far that i have heard Dobby call him the Dark Lord and later on in the series (unless i am much mistaken) we find out that only his followers call him that (but i may be wrong) what do you think?
 

secret seeker

The Half Blood Prince
Its good, all good. Dobby has been portrayed by J.K.R. to be completly trustworthy, to the point of not even thinking " Bad Dobby! " I was on the fence when I started reading this thread ( how could Dobby possibly?..) but, too many little things.....b****r....I dont know anymore, now I would'nt be surprised if the little elf is a traitor and everything I thought I knew about him is out the window.
Thats the whole point of a decent thread, and I would like to add rep points to whoever gave you this notion Alz for starting a great one. Well done indeed.

P.s. I would add to yours Alz, but " Keith " gave you the idea? is he a member?, if not, i'll add to yours.
 
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keeron_man_boy

Accio Deathly Hallows!!
im not sure if this has been mentioned but has anyone ever wondered how draco found out bout the RoR in HBP??

we could assume that he found out bout it when he help catch the DA in the act of one of their lessions but how did he know how to operate the room?

we know that dobby told harry, so i dont why dobby wouldn't tell draco is he is 'questionable' :D

what do everyone else think about this?
 

Hoggy Warty Hogwarts

Outside Playing Quidditch
I did wonder how he knew how to get into the room, but i never thought that it could have been Dobby, thats a good find to wow i never though of that i cant believe it lol :D
 

gbogbo

Time Turners
I think we should start abbreviating this theory (Dobbie is Evil) as dIE (little "d") to distinguish it from DIE (Dumbledore is Evil). :)
 

Dunky

Time Turners
i was reading thru the first 2 books and found many references to socks.
especially when dumbledore looked in the mirror of erised. since i believe dumbledore is evil, it may not be a coincidence tht the sock references are equally apparent with dobby.
from the mirror it shows all dumbledore wanted was socks.....same as dobby ( hence his freedom). is this related? ? i think there is a chance.
 

keeron_man_boy

Accio Deathly Hallows!!
i was reading thru the first 2 books and found many references to socks.
especially when dumbledore looked in the mirror of erised. since i believe dumbledore is evil, it may not be a coincidence tht the sock references are equally apparent with dobby.
from the mirror it shows all dumbledore wanted was socks.....same as dobby ( hence his freedom). is this related? ? i think there is a chance.


no i dont think so.. there are many many many sock reference in all the HP books
 
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