Is it all relative??

Tinkerbell

Time Turners
In Chamber of Secrets, when Ron says:
“And now the whole school’s going to think you’re his great-great-great-great-grandson or something…”

I couldn't help thinking that this was our dear Seer Weasley with another of his gems - we now know that Harry is not related to Slytherin… but is he perhaps related to Godric Gryffindor in this way? What do others think?
 

Boing

Pops in randomly
I don't think it's necessarily too far-fetched. We've got some evidence that links the two together:

Harry is in Gryffindor (not that that's an automatic match, but it's something)

Harry pulled Godric's sword from the Sorting Hat when in the Chamber

Harry's parents were at the very least hiding, if not permanently living in, Godric's Hollow, which bears the name of Godric Gryffindor.

Also, this got me thinking - the Gryffindor connection would likely be on James's side (though wouldn't that be interesting if it were on the Dursley side . . . :D). So, perhaps this is where all that money comes from? From an inheritance passed down through the ages originating with Godric Gryffindor . . .just another thought!
 

Padma Patil

Dumbledore's Girl
This is all interesting, but you forgot about how whenever Harry gets mad, red and gold sparks shoot out of his wand. Red and gold sparks shot out of his wand when he first got it too, that how they knew it was his.

Notice, red and gold equals Gryffindor. ;)
 
Excellent point Padma!

I do think we have seen these and many other examples throughout the books that say Harry belongs in Gryffindor. Think back to the third book with the Maurders. That was a solely Gryffindor affair, no one from Slytherin or Hufflepuff would have been involved.

I don't think Ron meant his comment as a prediction. I think he merely was commenting the school's rumor mill would be hard at work, and gossip about Harry would be rampant.
 

Sirius Potter Fan

Night Patroll
I have a somewhat lengthy discourse on that, that I have put on another board. It is all highly speculative, but I believe that Harry may be the heir of Gryfindor. Alot of my speculation rests on the things already mentioned below, but not only those, it was Fawkes that brought Harry the sorting hat (hmmmm also formerly belonging to GG) with the sword in it, and DD stated later in the book "not just anyone could have pulled that from that hat" And on fawkes...also red and gold, Phoenixes are imortal... He may quite well have belonged to GG... or even better, is this possibly GG in his animagus form? I have seen somewhere on one board or another, that Harry will meet GG, and they are wondering if he will use a time turner, ...he wouldn't need a time turner if GG is just right there in DD's office :D
 

Padma Patil

Dumbledore's Girl
Sirius Potter Fan said:
"not just anyone could have pulled that from that hat"

Just before that he says, "You want more proof that you belong in Gryffindor?".
(I don't know if that is the exact quote.)
What if he meant more than just the house Gryffindor, what if he meant the family of Gryffindor?

It would make sence to have the last remaining hier of Slytherin aka Voldemort and the last remaining hier of Gryffindor aka Harry, fight out the two's final battle.
 
Excellent ideas Padma and Sirus Potter Fan! You guys really took this to a whole new level. I am liking this thread.

I like the idea of the last remaining heirs going head to head. But what about the heirs of Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff? Maybe it will be a great 3-1 battle. Or even more interesting, a 2-2. Who would come to Slytherin's aid?

I like the speculation that Fawkes is just an animagus, but there are some holes in that theory. How would Godric Gryffindor still be alive? Yes, the pheniox is immortal, but is Fawkes is the animal form of Godric Gryffindor, he is not a pheniox, he is a human disguised as a pheniox. Therefore woulld he still be able to live forever? How would he be alive now?

I don't know if Harry will actually get to meet Godric Gryffindor. The closest I would think he could come would be through a pensive, but wouldn't Godric have died long before anyone here now was alive? Perhaps an antique pensive, another wizard's thoughts from when he was alive? This could be a valueable resource for the Order and for Harry.

Is there such a thing as a Hogwarts historian? Besides Hermione, who has memorized Hogwarts, A History is there anyone around who could tell the historyof Hogwarts? What about Professor Binns? They seem to largly ignore him, because he is a drearly, mundane ghost, but what if he had valueable information about Godric Gryffindor?

Is there a picture or painting og Godric Gryffindor? Would Harry look like him? That could be interesting.
 

Tinkerbell

Time Turners
Wow, some great ideas here guys!!

Originally posted by Padma Patil: What if he meant more than just the house Gryffindor, what if he meant the family of Gryffindor?
That is just what I was thinking about Padma!!

Originally posted by Meredith: I don't think Ron meant his comment as a prediction.
No, I don't think Ron actually knows when he is making predictions, its just that quite often what he says has a real pertinency in it!
 

Sirius Potter Fan

Night Patroll
I Believe DD really did mean the family of Gryffindor. After all, I'm shure DD would also know Harry's ancestry, as I believe that DD himself is a descendant of GG.

on the point about the heirs battling at the end. I believe that it will just be Griffindor and Slytherin's heirs. The big disention was mainly between them in the first place. if you push it , it really seems that it was SS insisting on only purebloods, and all three of the others wanting to accept anyone magical. So although the other two founders may have their heirs as well, I don't see them in the thick of the battle. There is very little mention of the other two houses for the most part, so I don't think they will play a large role further on.
 

Weasleyfanforever

Time Turners
Sirius Potter Fan said:
I Believe DD really did mean the family of Gryffindor. After all, I'm shure DD would also know Harry's ancestry, as I believe that DD himself is a descendant of GG.

I'd have to agree with Tink on her point about Ron, I don't think that he knows, or intends to make any predictions, as such s shown by his distaste for Divination, I think it just happens.

And, if both DUmbledore and Harry were relatives of Godric Gryffindor, wouldn't that make them relatives? Because I know JKR has explicitly stated on her website that Harry has no living relatives, other than the Dursleys, and more so, she has specifically stated Dumbledore is not related to Harry.
 

Boing

Pops in randomly
I was just thinking the same thing, WFF! You're right about that - she has said both of those things.

I never thought about Dumbledore meaning the "family" of Gryffindor in that quote. I guess because in the context, it really seems like he is talking about the houses - how Harry was so worried about the Sorting Hat trying to get him into Slytherin.

My question after reading this is could the heir of another of the founding members pull something else from the hat? Or was it just because the hat belonged to Godric that it came to Harry's aid with the sword? Completely hypothetical situation, but what if Tom Riddle had gone to the hat in the Chamber after Harry had pulled the sword out of it and pulled something of Slytherin's out of it? Is that possible?
 

Sirius Potter Fan

Night Patroll
Boing said:
Completely hypothetical situation, but what if Tom Riddle had gone to the hat in the Chamber after Harry had pulled the sword out of it and pulled something of Slytherin's out of it? Is that possible?

I don't think so...We know that the sorting hat was formerly GG's hat, and that the sword was GG's, and we also know that it was Fawkes that brought it to him. And from the book, the sword was not visible in the hat to Riddle. he said "This is what Dumbledore sends his defender? A song bird and an old hat?" so it must only be a Gryffindor that could have seen and used it. There is not enough to be certain that DD was reffering to the family instead of the house, but I strongly suspect it. You know, how only Arthur could pull Excaliber from the stone.
 

Weasleyfanforever

Time Turners
I know JK has said that there will be some things that realte to CoS from HBP, and I am liking the idea that the Heir of one of the Houses other than Gryffindor may be able to pull somthing out of the hat. I don't necessarily think that it will be the Heir of Slytherin, because I think we have seen the last of Tom Riddle, at least for HBP, but perhaps one of the Heirs of the other houses. It may just be that I am of the belief that all of the Heirs, other than Slytherin, are at Hogwarts right now, and I think that only if they band together can Voldemort be defeated....
 

Sirius Potter Fan

Night Patroll
hmmm I supose it could be a possibility, however I doubt it. there really hasn't been mutch mention of other houses, other than Slytherin in any signiicant role. but for the sake of exploration, Could Luna Lovegood be one of the other heirs? who would the other possibilities be?
 

Alz

Administrator
Staff member
See I really hate this sweet sickly tie up that just makes for a predicatable ending to me.
I have debated this very point for years and althought the evidence is compelling that indeed Harry is a decendant of Godric and then of course we have the Half Blood decendant of Salazar - I dont know I just think it is lazy writing and I for one will be shocked if JKR pulls this out - I cant explain it - is just seems too much like a fairy tale - not suble or tracing in any way!
It just doesnt seem like JKR to be so predicatable - I mean it isnt even subtle the parallels we can draw between Harry and Godric and of course Voldemort and Salazar.
it just doesnt seem right that the final battle is that between the last decedants of the great founders of Hogwarts - it makes my toes curl just thinking about it!
 
I don't necessarily think it is lazy writting. If she includes more than just that, which she will, then it is part of it. We may have reason to believe Harry is, but it may be someone else. And together, Harry and that someone else will fight Voldemort and defeat him.
 

Sirius Potter Fan

Night Patroll
Blaise, I think we are running on the same track today :p I just can't believe that it could be all the Heirs of the house teaming up. We know that Harry is "the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord" The prophesy did not mention anyone else involved. Will Hary have help? most certainly, at least in learning the skills, spells etc. that he will need. Where will the help come from? I believe that is where GG may come in to play, as well as our other friends. JKR had been too clever in her writing thus far, to come to the end and make it simple! She plants seemingly inconspicuous objects and ideas, books before we realize their importance. If the houses were going to team up, wouldn't there be some suggestion of it already?

But...

What was the sorting hat's song at the begining of OOTP about??? could I be contradicting myself?
 

Fortescue

Totally Potterfied!
Padma Patil said:
Just before that he says, "You want more proof that you belong in Gryffindor?".
(I don't know if that is the exact quote.)
What if he meant more than just the house Gryffindor, what if he meant the family of Gryffindor?

It would make sence to have the last remaining hier of Slytherin aka Voldemort and the last remaining hier of Gryffindor aka Harry, fight out the two's final battle.

Dumbledore told Harry, "Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that out of the hat," in regards to Godric Gryffindor's sword. Also - "And so you met Tom Riddle," said Dumbledore thoughtfully. "I imagine he was most interested in you . . . " (Cos, pg 332) Why would Dumbledore say that? How would Tom Riddle's sixteen year old memory from fifty years earlier know anything about Harry Potter besides of what Ginny had told him during her conversations with Tom in the diary?

It could be that Dumbledore was talking about the fact that the name, "Potter," was known as the last descendents of Godric Gryffindor, and Tom Riddle being the last descendent of Salazar Slytherin would know this.

I don't think it's too far fetched to think that Harry is the final heir to Godric Gryffindor and that the battle between the two heirs of the most notable houses at Hogwarts would make for a corny ending. I think it's a great storyline that is depicted in many works of great literature - good vs evil - it's classic, really :D
 

Alz

Administrator
Staff member
I dont think it is unheard of - or indeed impossible.
I just feel from my own POV - that wouldnt be an ending I would like to see.
As I said it is a good possibility that could be the case - but I just think JKR has some bigger twists and turns.
But you are right - there is a lot of supporting information to the argument - I just dont like it ;)
 

Fortescue

Totally Potterfied!
I guess I can voice my final point of evidence to support Tinks original post - - it is a quote I put in another thread somewhere that fits here perfectly -

World Book Day Chat said:
Jami: Is Harry related to Godric Gryffindor?
JK Rowling replies -> People are always wondering who Harry might be related to. Maybe he is ;)

I think this is as close to a "yes" as you will ever get from JKR when she doesn't want to come right out an confirm something because it will come up later in the story. When asked if Harry is related to Snape, Voldemort, or Dumbledore she said "no" right away. I'd say this admission is as definite a yes as we will ever get.
 
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