Slytherin's Locket

[Alz]

I did think the necklace was the locket - but apparently was educated that a necklace is like a set of links etc - a locket is a necklace with a pendant kind of thing - I know it can mean just the case kind of thing but I am lead to believe via discussion it will be attached to a necklace - I suppose logically that also makes sense ... I mean someone wearing a the locket on a chain would be less conspicuous than the locket on it's own ...?
I think RAB was very clever to ensure his fake replicated what he stole just in case Voldemort didnt fancy drinking the potion and looking in there instead ... see what I mean?

 

[cagedcactus]

I did think the necklace was the locket - but apparently was educated that a necklace is like a set of links etc - a locket is a necklace with a pendant kind of thing - I know it can mean just the case kind of thing but I am lead to believe via discussion it will be attached to a necklace - I suppose logically that also makes sense ... I mean someone wearing a the locket on a chain would be less conspicuous than the locket on it's own ...?
I think RAB was very clever to ensure his fake replicated what he stole just in case Voldemort didnt fancy drinking the potion and looking in there instead ... see what I mean?

I posted it in another thread. How informed RAB have to be? Not only he knew about the Horcrux and it's location, he also knew what it was. He also knew what exactly he wanted to do with fake horcrux.
I kept thinking that Dumbledore was cooking a bigger soup than was shown to us. But recently JKR killed that option by saying DD is done.
Oh well, lets keep predicting what is going to happen, regardless.

 

[Alz]

RAB was unique in how much detail he had on horcruxes and also for keeping it very well concealed!
He really was putting his butt out there - I mean at this time Voldemort's horcruxes would have been somewhat fresh ...
What surprised me is that Voldemort didn't go visit his horcruxes before the fateful night - you know, one last check all is in place ... evidently his arrogance didn't afford him this last check otherwise I am sure he would have worked out something wasn't right ...
But as for RAB - could someone as understated as Regulus be the mighty RAB - on paper I would certainly argue ...
If the locket is that of the one Ginny came across in OoTP - I really hope we get a glimmer into what made this young guy probably the most intelligent wizard of the time ... I mean, the complexity of working out horcruxes and the likes ...

 

[cagedcactus]

RAB was unique in how much detail he had on horcruxes and also for keeping it very well concealed!
He really was putting his butt out there - I mean at this time Voldemort's horcruxes would have been somewhat fresh ...
What surprised me is that Voldemort didn't go visit his horcruxes before the fateful night - you know, one last check all is in place ... evidently his arrogance didn't afford him this last check otherwise I am sure he would have worked out something wasn't right ...
But as for RAB - could someone as understated as Regulus be the mighty RAB - on paper I would certainly argue ...
If the locket is that of the one Ginny came across in OoTP - I really hope we get a glimmer into what made this young guy probably the most intelligent wizard of the time ... I mean, the complexity of working out horcruxes and the likes ...

I agree.
You see, when that locket is mentioned in OoTP, I begin to wonder. RAB would have to be killed or upto something. If RAB is that Stubby, why hasnt he tried to get back to Grimmauld place to retrive and destroy that Horcrux?
Maybe, he just wants to ignore the Wizard world !!!!
Maybe, he got tired of playing with, and then against Voldemort !!!
Maybe after his death was declared, he just wanted to take advantage and live a life of an outcast.
I think a little twist in story with Harry convincing RAB to come back would be good too.

 

[Alz]

What makes me wonder here is if RAB actually had it to conceal - and after going to the trouble of getting it why didnt he destroy it straight away.
I mean, we have to assume Voldemort had no idea RAB took the horcrux - so means he was killed between getting the horcrux and then dissapearing ...
Now common sense kicks in here and thinks, why hide it versus destroying it straight away - all he did was aid Voldemort.
He went to the trouble of getting it - so I wonder if he hasnt already destroyed it .. i mean why conceal it?

 

[cagedcactus]

What makes me wonder here is if RAB actually had it to conceal - and after going to the trouble of getting it why didnt he destroy it straight away.
I mean, we have to assume Voldemort had no idea RAB took the horcrux - so means he was killed between getting the horcrux and then dissapearing ...
Now common sense kicks in here and thinks, why hide it versus destroying it straight away - all he did was aid Voldemort.
He went to the trouble of getting it - so I wonder if he hasnt already destroyed it .. i mean why conceal it?

Well, that is a good point.
The only logical conclusion to that question is, RAB probably didnt know how to destroy it. He was probably still working on it when he was killed. ( or we assume he is killed)

 

[Alz]

... well here is the thing - how exactly easy is it?
Harry stabbed the diary with the basilisk tooth ... job done ...
Dumbledore 'cracked' the stone in the ring and lost a hand ...
I still cant help but feel the real protection with the locket was the hoops you had to jump through to get to it - once you had it Voldemort expected the person to be dead (potion and all) so I reckon that once out of the potion that locket should have been easy to destroy?
This would fit in with the diary - but then again if HiaH might explain why he was able to destroy his one with little side effect

 

[cagedcactus]

... well here is the thing - how exactly easy is it?
Harry stabbed the diary with the basilisk tooth ... job done ...
Dumbledore 'cracked' the stone in the ring and lost a hand ...
I still cant help but feel the real protection with the locket was the hoops you had to jump through to get to it - once you had it Voldemort expected the person to be dead (potion and all) so I reckon that once out of the potion that locket should have been easy to destroy?
This would fit in with the diary - but then again if HiaH might explain why he was able to destroy his one with little side effect

well, looking at the note RAB left, and that locket from OoTP, the horcrux might have been destroyed too. We dont know for sure that the locket horcrux is still there or not, do we? We assume that it would be, and need to make sure that it is destroyed, because the locket in OoTP sounded undamaged. In fact no one could open it. Maybe because it needed more effort.

 

[Alz]

Well, if that is the case - isnt that a redundant plot?
I mean I still struggle to believe RAB is more important than the fact he took the locket and maybe hid it ... if he actually destroyed it - where could this lead Harry?
I dont believe RAB is that important - how he come to be in possession of the locket etc is and also where it ended up ... but if that is Regulus, then all JKR has done is conceal some data into the past books and can say - 'see, the clues were there' ... mind you though this is scraping into another one of my threads so sorry for the digression!
One thing I would say - considering the sentimental value of the locket, being his mum's and also a relic of Salazar - you wonder if it also represented the highest level of protection on any horcrux and so what is left would be easier to get to?

 

[cagedcactus]

Yes, you make a point that I cant argue with.
If RAB comes out of no where after 6 books and plays a role similar to DD, then it would qualify to making up for mistakes made in earlier books, or even concealing for that matter. The plot that JKR follows, I am sure she wont throw that kind of thing at us.
But the only thing that bothers me about Harry W/O DD is, he is not even close to face Voldemort. Who in the world is going to show him how to finish Voldemort from existing characters. These people couldnt even say Voldemort's name before Harry joined Hogwarts. He and DD only were the people who said it and didnt fear it. Maybe RAB can be inserted in just like Slughorn was in book 6.

 

[Alz]

I think Harry is near on complete - a little niave in magic maybe but he has all the other weapons he needs ... I think we have seen that in Harry over the series.
Harry doesnt need or even want to become just like Voldemort - it is his direct opposition of all that makes Voldemort ... well Voldemort that is Harry's biggest strenghts - as Dumbledore said, Voldemort's weakness is Harry's greatest strength.

RAB confuses me to be quite honest - there is no doubts of his links to the locket and of course that is relevant considering horcruxes, destroying and then taking Voldemort on - but still not convinced it is back at Grimmauld Place.
Why would JKR have Dung stealing Black items and selling them - I mean that doesnt really add much to the story unless amoung what he took from the house is something Harry is looking for!

 

[cagedcactus]

Why would JKR have Dung stealing Black items and selling them - I mean that doesnt really add much to the story unless amoung what he took from the house is something Harry is looking for!

Or maybe she did it intentionally to make us think all over the place. You see JKR would know that smart fans will track down that Locket from OoTP. She needed to put Dung story in to make her readers go in all directions. Now we cant track the locket properly and story becomes even more interesting.

 

[Alz]

Touché - agreed Dung selling Black items could be a red herring to make us believe he moved the locket but that would be intricate as a red herring - not saying JKR is beyond that but having Dung the thief seems to fit in well if that locket in the Black's house really is our missing RAB Horcrux ... especially if RAB is Regulus - there is almost a logical link to follow there ...

 

[cagedcactus]

Yes I agree on that point.
The whole idea about Dung showing the items to people in Hogsmeade struck me like a needle.
that also on a weekend when almost half of the Hogwars student were there, not to mention Harry and the friends.

 

[Angelis]

Yea i think i started a post about this locket before ! .but could jkr just be mentioning dung just to throw us off the trail, we knew they put ine locket into a black bag, but did kreacher take it , i know it's not mentioned he has it ,but jkr does like to keep us guessing & if dung has it harry will have to find it as well as the others how big will this last book be.but dumbledore said the rest of harrys possions was safe , so the bag could be still at the house , i hope it is . hasn't harry got enough to do

 

[Meagan091484]

It is hard to assume just where the locket is, isn't it. I do agree that it probably does not have tons of spells attached to it, seeing as how it was a death mission just retrieving it. But I do have a theory as to why it could not be opened in OoTP. While there may not be (tons of spells attached to it), does not mean that there is not any. And it only takes one.... Voldy made it unopenable to any but him. And since he transfered some of his powers to Harry on that fateful night, Harry is the only one who can open it. In OoTp, it never states if Harry had tried it before it was thrown in the waste bag. Would you hand a teenager a resiliant jar to open, or give it first to another adult who then determines that it just will not go? A little far fetched, but then again maybe not. Let me know what you think.

 

[Mr_Bandman]

When Sirius died he left #12 Grimmauld Place to Harry....that included Kreacher. I think it is reasonable to assume that it also included everything in Grimmauld Place. If #12 Grimmauld Place & Kreacher are bound by some sort of enchanted & unbreakable contract to Harry, would it not stand to reason that all of the things in the house are bound by that same enchantment? Here's a great possible twist---if this is the case, and that locket that Harry so conspicuously can't remember is a Horcrux, then Harry owns a piece of Voldemort's soul. Wow. That could be a huge advantage or an enormous disadvantage.

 

[Padma Patil]

Okay, just a small thought here. Below is what is said in the message that was found in the Locket...

To the Dark Lord
I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret. I have stolen the real horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can. I face death in the hope that when you meet your match, you will be mortal once more. R.A.B.

I bolded the part I want you to notice. How do we know that the Locket was the hocrux? What if it was what was inside the Locket? Think to yourself, can you honestly imagine someone of Slytherin's reputation to be wearing a locket? Why would he even own one unless it was for a girl he liked, and if that is the case, it wouldn't be Slytherin's locket, it would be the girl's.

So, all I'm saying is, how do we know the horcrux is the locket and not what was inside the locket?

 

[Alz]

Interesting thought there PP ...
I think the relevance of the locket wasnt who wore it etc - it was who it belonged to and also what it was - it was a perfect horcrux object for Voldemort ... owned by his mother and passed down through the years as a Salazar heirloom ...
But that said, you could be right there ... perhaps the locket was the real locket and it was the contents of the locket that was the real 'magical essence' of the object, I mean it would have helped conceal what he did wouldnt it - put the locket back but take what was inside ... food for thought maybe?

 

[Padma Patil]

hmm, I'm gonna have to burst my own bubble here. Because I just got done re-reading HBP and it says that when Harry finds the locket lying next to Dumbledore, (this is after Dumbledore is dead and everybody has just found the body) it says that the locket isn't as big as the one Harry remembered in the pensieve and it didn't have the 'S' which means it didn't belong to Slytherin. So it just goes to show that one must eat one's words every now and then.

Though I'm still not convinced that it was the locket that was the horcrux versus what might have been inside the locket.