Blaise said:I cant explain it - it just seemed like this was Voldemort's last act of co-operation - from this point forward it was all about himself ... I cant help but feel Dumbledore had a small piece in what Riddle became ...
Dumbledore said:The time is long gone when I could frighten you with a burning wardrobe and force you to make repayment for your crimes. But I wish I could, Tom. ... I wish I could. . .
Dumbledore had more insight into Riddle/Voldemort's life than from just this moment - all those years previous - even as far back as when he really could make Riddle listen - like in the Orphange ...Sirius Potter Fan said:Now, I just don't buy that Blaise. I think Dumbledore knew that at that point "Tom" was already beyond help. . . could you bring yourself to hire someone to work with children that you may have suspected no longer had a whole soul? Don't forget the changes in appearance that he had gone through.
I'm not arguing that Dumbledore's goblet meant anything to Voldemort at the time he entered the room. I'm guessing the Voldemort's original intent was to gain access to something of Godric Gryffindor's.
The conversation could be construed as presenting a direct challenge to Voldemort and his horcrux pursuits. Given the dominance relationship between the two, I am surmising that Voldemort had an "aha" moment when we have the passage "For the first time, Voldemort smiled." I think that at that very moment Voldemort was thinking "We'll just see who's right...I'll show that $%#*@" and it dawned on him that using one of Dumbledore's artifacts would be the perfect symbol of that proof and a sort of revenge.
But hey, we've got to entertain ourselves with outlandish ponderings for a few more months. So what's the harm?
Hey I agree - Voldemort would seem to plan his horcruxes to great detail - but then understand that this was his last possible stab ay adding a horcrux into Hogwarts - something he had planned for and indeed wanted to do - he would have seized the opportunity to do so if he finally realised it was no or never...All the talk about a non important things to Voldemort being Horcruxes or even people being his horcruxes sound just too non-JKR. It sounds a bit reaching and cheesy.
I definitely will not deny HIAH. Because things happened that night are not described properly. we can debate there.
Your point about him being arrogant makes a huge sense. Kudos to that one.
But, him being rackless is something I would like to debate. Voldemort is not brave. He is cunning. He doesnt pick fights in open. And He certainly wouldnt pick one in DD's office. Not when he just got his behind kicked with some soft treatment by DD.
Kind of like the above - if his overall desire for this horcrux or a horcrux was to have it at Hogwarts - I dont think the object mattered as much as the location - perhaps sometimes the object isnt the most important thing but the location - it would still follow the same patterns no?That is what I think too.
He was there to find something he could relate too.
Something valuable, or something he left behind.
Dumbledore stood and swept over to the cabinet where he now kept the Pensieve, but which then was full of bottles. Having handed Voldemort a goblet of wine and poured one for himself, he returned to the seat behind his desk. . "So, Tom ... to what do I owe the pleasure?"
In fact if you were asked to describe Dumbledore’s office door, when lined up with other doors, you might describe it as the “Griffin Door.” The knocker would be the “Griffin Door Knocker.” We do know how JKR likes to play with words. As with many of JKR’s clues the Griffin door knocker was introduced early in the series, CoS, received one mention in GoF (just as a brass knocker), but received at three mentions in OotP and one mention (just as a brass knocker) in HBP.They rose upward in circles, higher and higher, until at last, slightly dizzy, Harry saw a gleaming oak door ahead, with a brass knocker in the shape of a griffin. He knew now where he was being taken. This must be where Dumbledore lived.