Who's Your Buddy? SNAPE

[Glumbumble]

There has been much speculation about Snape's family but what if they are alive and well and living at Hogwarts? When Snape apparently joined Dumbledore he might well have wanted his family protected.

We know that there are associations with Snape and books, books at Spinners End, the potion book etc. We know that he must have learned much before he went to Hogwarts because of Sirius' comments about him knowing "more curses when he arrived at school than half the kids in seventh year,"

We only know of one person at Hogwarts who cannot do magic and that is Filch, we know one person whose love of books appears to exceed all others and that is Madam Pince. We know that Ron has suggested a link between Filch and Madam Pince, and we know it was Filch who was bandaging Snape's leg in PS/SS;

Snape and Filch were inside, alone. Snape was holding his robes above his knees. One of his legs was bloody and mangled. Filch was handing Snape bandages.

The information about Fluffy was supposed to be top secret so why did Snape confide in the caretaker?

So there we have it I don't think that Snape was brought up by his Grandmother he was brought up by his parents, and continues to be with them at Hogwarts.

 

[Sirius Potter Fan]

Sounds great GB! I like the idea of the three nastiest people at Hogwarts being family . . . some real good points there, but only one thing catches me though . . . Snape is a half blood, his father was supposed to be a muggle not a squib. I would think that if a squib born of pureblood parents, marying a pure blood, the children would still be considered pureblood wouldn't they? But . . . boy! wouldn't it be hilarious! I know it's another thread, one that hasn't been up since you have been here, but the only thing JKR has given us on Snape's family was to say he doesn't have a daughter . . . she didn't say he didn't have a son . . . who would likely be around Harry's age, if he were a little older, fatherhood could have been a good reason for Snape to come to Dumbledore . . .

 

[Glumbumble]

Well maybe SPF but who told us Filch was a squib? Filch did and in an odd sort of way as well.

"He did it, he did it!" Filch spat, his pouchy face purpling. "You saw what he wrote on the wall! He found - in my office - he knows I'm a - I'm a -" Filch's face worked horribly. "He knows I'm a Squib!" he finished.

And what was written on the wall? "the chamber of secrets has been opened. enemies of the heir, beware."

Malfoy then says "Enemies of the Heir, beware! You'll be next, Mudbloods!"

Now why would Filch, apparently the son of a witch and/or wizard, be worried about being attacked by Slytherin's heir? If he is a squib he must be at least a half blood!

If Filch was a muggle in hiding he clearly couldn't pretend to be a wizard as a way of hiding but he could pretend to be a squib.

 

[Piper]

I think the deal is if you have either parent magical and are not magical then you are a squib. JKR says it's rare because the Magical gene is dominant. But if he were just in hiding pretending, he could be a full muggle. And hey, maybe the CAT is Snape's mother

 

[Sirius Potter Fan]

First Piper . . . as fitting as it would be, Mrs Norris isn't an animagus, she's just a cat. JKR said that somewhere, I think on her website

GB, I can see your point . . . Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the idea that Filch and Pince could be Snape's parents, it would make a wonderfuly surprising twist! (well, not so surprising if we've figured it out) I could even add in that "Pince" is only one letter away from "Prince". Like I said, I like the idea, but it just doesn't seem right. Why have him anounce that he's a squib at all? Why not make us wonder all along why he never does magic? Wouldn't that make the surprise that much better? Also, it has been pretty much agreed upon that Filch is the one who will do magic later in life. I can see that happening with a squib, but a muggle? Unless the point to be made is maybe that there is "magic" in everyone?

 

[Glumbumble]

SPF I shall carry on until you give in!

when they reached the Entrance Hall, they found Madam Pince standing beside Filch, she in a thick black veil that fell to her knees, he in an ancient black suit and tie reek-ing of mothbails

 

[Glumbumble]

Now I think that this is the clincher!

The word pince derives from the French word pincer which means to pinch, as in pince-nez - to squeeze the nose.

Pinch has another meaning - to steal or filch.

In a manner of speaking Madam Pince and Filch have the same surname!

 

[Rory]

Well, Her fist name is Irma, and Irma Pince anagrams to I am Prince. But if she is a grusome twosome with Filch - AND Snape's mother - I'm getting a new avatar!
Either one would be bad enough, but both? Just too much...

 

[Sirius Potter Fan]

My dear Glumbumble . . .In the style of our beloved seer, Prof. Trelawney . . . Sir, I see you will endure a long and arduous battle . . . ending with fruitless and demoralizing dissapointment so devastating death may seem preferable . . .

 

[Hoggy Warty Hogwarts]

Maybe he's not pretending to be a squib but maybe he's a muggle trying to learn to become a wizard by doing a quickspell course? But then again why even bother to put that in the book about him being a squib unless he was covering his tracks when he said that about Harry knowing he's a squib and reading his letter, sorry if that doesnt make sense, but i doubt it lol.

 

[Sirius Potter Fan]

OK, I can believe it possible, even probable that Madam Pince is Snape's Mother, based on the anagram. But Filch is not Snape's father . . .

During Harry's occlumency lesson he found his way into snapes memories and saw . . .

a hook-nosed man was shouting at a cowering
woman, while a small dark-haired boy cried in a corner

When we first meet Snape in the first book he is described . . .

Quirrell, in his absurd turban, was talking to a teacher with greasy
black hair, a hooked nose, and sallow skin.

So, Snape had inherited his father's nose. Now, in CoS we see a description of Filch's nose . . .

"It's only a bit of mud to you, boy, but to me it's an extra hour scrubbing!"
shouted Filch, a drip shivering unpleasantly at the end of his bulbous nose.

If the nose don't fit, you must aquit! (from the O.J. Simson trial for you Brits)

 

[Glumbumble]

I watched the OJ trial avidly so I do understand the reference!

You know that you never picked up on the fact that Filch was caretaker when James was at school so the time frame was all wrong. An interesting discussion though!!

Until next time!!

 

[serophis]

Perhaps it is Neville's connection with Harry, Hermione and Ron. Remember, Harry's first image of a younger Peter Pettigrew was someone who looked much like Neville; probably because Neville does seem like more of a tag along who is a good friend but is not quite "in" on everything. So, maybe Snape sees Harry, Ron, Hermione and Neville in the same light as James, Remus, Sirus and Peter, and hates Neville because he reminds him of the old group of friends.

 

[jimbo716]

Could Filch be a brother, perhaps? That would fir in to the time line a little better, and still works within the "family" theory. Maybe not Snape's brother, but Pince's. That would make him an uncle. An out of place uncle who doesn't seem to like young wizzards much, but is forced to "care" for them anyway. That creates another parallel doesn't it?

 

[Glumbumble]

Hermione stopped dead; Harry had heard it too. Somebody had moved close behind them among the dark bookshelves. They waited, and a moment later the vulturelike countenance of Madam Pince appeared around the corner, her sunken cheeks, her skin like parchment, and her long hooked nose illuminated unflatteringly by the lamp she was carrying. "The library is now closed," she said, "Mind you return anything you have borrowed to the correct -- what have you been doing to that book, you depraved boy?" "It isn't the library's, it's mine!" said Harry hastily, snatching his copy of Advanced Potion-Making off the table as she lunged at it with a clawlike hand. " Spoiled!" she hissed . "Desecrated, befouled !" "It's just a book that's been written on!" said Harry, tugging it out of her grip.
She looked as though she might have a seizure; Hermione, who had hastily packed her things, grabbed Harry by the arm and frogmarched him away. "She'll ban you from the library if you're not careful. Why did you have to bring that stupid book?" "It's not my fault she's barking mad, Hermione. Or d'you think she overheard you being rude about Filch? I've always thought there might be something between them..." "Oh, ha ha.." Enjoying the fact that they could speak normally again, they made their way along the deserted lamp-lit corridors back to the common room, arguing whether or not Filch and Madam Pince were secretly in love with each other.

Now here is a suggestion.

Madam Pince looks at Harry's potions book and recognises her son's handwriting. Not wanting to get her son into trouble she tries to confiscate the book on the grounds that it has been desecrated. Not being able to do this she reports to her son that Harry has his, and originally her, potions book. So that is how Snape knew about the book when Harry injured Malfoy, not through legilimency.

I can just imagine Madam Pince and Filch sitting down in their cosy little room at Hogwarts. Madam Pince says "I am worried about little Severus dear. That awful Harry Potter seems to have his old potions book. If Dumbledore realises that that is little Severus' book he will know what a stinker he really is. I think you should talk to Severus about it dear." Filch replies, "Not likely. The last time I spoke about the Potter boy he banged me on the nose changing my hooked nose into a bulbous one!!!" "Oh that was ages ago Argus, I am sure he won't do that again."

 

[Piper]

Glum LOL @ "Changing my hooked nose into a bulbous one!!"

 

[Sirius Potter Fan]

My Dear GB, I really expected better of you! But, if I must, then I must . . .

From Snape’s own mouth . . .

"Apparently I underestimated you, Potter," he said quietly. "Who would have thought you knew such Dark Magic? Who taught you that spell?"

Doesn’t sound much like Snape already knew that Harry had access to his old school book, now does it?


This is how Snape knows where Harry learned the spell . . .

"It was — a library book," Harry invented wildly. "I can't remember what it was call —"

"Liar," said Snape. Harry's throat went dry. He knew what Snape was going to do and he had never been able to prevent it. ...
The bathroom seemed to shimmer before his eyes; he struggled to block out all thought, but try as he might, the Half-Blood Prince's copy of Advanced Potion-Making swam hazily to the forefront of his mind. . . .

"Bring me your schoolbag," said Snape softly, "and all of your schoolbooks. All of them. Bring them to me here. Now!"

Sounds like Legilimens to me!

I think we can rule out Pince recognizing Snape's writting, Not saying that she wouldn't recognise her own son's writting, but just didn't have time to look close enough perhaps. But I think we can be certain that Snape had no foreknowledge of Harry having access to his old book.

 

[Hoggy Warty Hogwarts]

Maybe she didnt see the writing on the book but heard Harry and Hermione talking about it instead and heard them mention the half blood prince or something similar and knew it was snapes or put 2 and 2 together or something like that, i cant remember word for word what exactly they said before she interupted them... just a thought.

 

[Glumbumble]

Oh thee of little faith.

What happens when Harry performs the incantation sectumsempra on Malfoy? Snape comes along and heals Malfoy's wounds.
What happens when Dumbledore is seriously injured by Voldemort's protective spells? He goes to Snape.
We know that Snape is an accomplished healer.
So why was Filch putting bandages on Snape's leg after fluffy attacked Snape?
Snape appears to by a very private man not a friendly man and yet he goes to Filch to have this very personal act performed. And an act that logically wouldn't be required, unless Snape can only repair magical injuries and Fluffy biting Snape was a muggle injury?

What happens when Snape leaves his office at night? He seals it with a magical spell;

"I know he couldn't, Filch!" Snape snapped again. "I seal my office with a spell none but a wizard could break!" Snape looked up the stairs, straight through Harry, and then down into the corridor below. "I want you to come and help me search for the intruder, Filch."

Again Snape who trusts no one wants Filch to help him!

The relationship between Snape and Filch is not all it seems!

Now as for Madam Irma Pince (anag I am Prince) Irma comes from the German Irmin which means World, Whole or Complete. And what does Dumbledore say? "I trust Severus Snape completely" While Madam Pince was at Hogwarts under Dumbledore's "protection" Snape could be trusted.

Now both Voldemort and Snape had witch mothers and muggle fathers. Voldemort killed his filthy muggle father, did he put pressure on Snape to do the same? Is that when Snape and Eileen Prince realised what supporting Voldemort really meant?

In the entire series Madam Pince is only seen out of the Library once! She has never been to a Christmas dinner, never been seen on the top table at the beginning of term, not seen at the Ball, never been seen in the grounds! But on the one occasion when she is reported outside of the library, Dumbledore's funeral, who is she with? Filch, that's who.

You have to admit that all is not what it seems.

 

[Sirius Potter Fan]

First, I think I have been missunderstood. I do believe it quite likely that Madame Pince is Snape's mother. I was just stating that I do not believe that she gave Snape the idea that Harry had his book, I think that the quotes from the book prove that very well. I think that we have both ruled Filch out as being Snape's father.

There is something about Filch though. And it may need it's own thread. But . . . why did Snape go to Filch to mend his leg? The "muggle injury" sounds plausable, but there is still more to it. And why would such a caring person as DD keep someone at Hogwarts that is so openly antagonistic towards the students?There does seem to be something to Pince and Filch . . . perhaps she has a "thing" for nonmagical humans?